Let's see... That was summer of 2007, right? Yup, same year they didn't renew Dresden Files. Care to take a wild guess which one I'd rather see continue? Sorry Scifi, you've lost my faith in you. I do admit to liking the little Steampunk mini-series but the ending was weak.

While it was a very good miniseries, I'm not sure how it would do as a regular series. Lots of details went into the movie that you just couldn't do under the budget of a regular series.

A tin man show would be GREAT! Do it scifi!

Mandy no one but you cares about Dresden. Not only that but that show will NEVER come back. Thank god. It was BORING

God I hope he's not serious. What a piece of trash and some of the worst acting I've ever seen.

Ugh...please don't.

If you're looking for another original series, set up The Lost Room. Lots of potential there.

Mandy is not the only Dresden fan around, not by a long shot. It's the best thing Sci-Fi has done since the first season of BSG and it definitely deserved to be renewed. Tin Man, however, was a waste of time and money, and I agree that The Lost Room has a lot more potential for a series.

Yep, I'd much rather be watching Harry Dresden. Sci-Fi has almost as bad a record as FOX for killing shows I like and replacing them with drivel.

The first test for a prospective head of programming should be telling Sci-Fi Wire what he plans to keep and cancel from the previous regime and whether the fans come after him with pitch forks and torches.

Nonecares, if that was true Why is there a petition to bring back The Dresden Files with 15,017 signatures? Why is The Dresden Files number one on amazon's survey for best show from the Scifi channel? Why was it in the top ten highest selling Scifi DVDs on amazon all through this Holiday season? Why was it Scifi's third highest rated show of 2007?

Yeah, you keep telling yourself that no one else liked it. Wake up and smell the fan base. There are t-shirts selling on ebay with the words 'I'd rather be watchng The Dresden Files.' The character of Bob has two active fan clubs on Livejournal alone. I might be the most vocal about my disappointment with Scifi but that does not make me the only one.

By the way, have you SEEN the posts on the scifi video clip for Warehouse 13. Almost everyone posting there is shouting that they'd rather be watching The Dresden Files. I walked into an FYE in rural upstate New York to over hear a female employee talking about how Dresden Files was the greatest show the Scifi Channel ever made. Yeah, but you go on and convince yourself that I was the only one who liked it.

"While it was a very good miniseries, I'm not sure how it would do as a regular series. Lots of details went into the movie that you just couldn't do under the budget of a regular series."

They could just reuse the sets from the Flash Gordon series again and work around them.

John Duncan, I am in full agreement with you. I have a long running dislike of the decisions made by Bonnie Hammer, particularly those of the later half of 2007.

I don't hate Tin Man. It was very creative and I love Steampunk however I did feel the ending was weak and when given the choice between the Tin Man DVD or The Dresden Files I can tell you The Dresden Files is the one I would put in the DVD slot.

I don't mean to post so much but I didn't see your post until after I was done replying to 'noonecares'.

I second what noonecares said. This article is about Tin Man no where does it mention anything about Dresden. SciFi is not going to bring it back no matter how good the show was, or how many signatures is on the "petition". Sure it was dumb that they canceled it to begin with but give it up already. I think a lot of other people would rather see a Tin Man series if in anyway they're thinking about it at all.

Stardust, I suggest you look at the other comments on this article and I don't mean my own. It doesn't look like anyone is that enthusiastic about Tin Man the TV series but you and 'noone'. I brought up Dresden Files in comparison because it and Tin Man aired on the Scifi Channel roughly around the same time. I noticed you're not saying anything against those who mentioned Lost Room.

As I have said twice, I don't hate Tin Man. I watched it when it aired. I love Steampunk. Admittedly though I was dissatisfied with the ending. If anything Scifi made in the year 2007 should be given a chance I honestly would prefer Dresden Files. It's a simple fact and a related topic.

As for the peition, don't put quotation marks as if I'm lying. That is rude and presumptuous. Go to the scifi channel's own forum for The Dresden Files. The thread about the petition is a sticky notice. The site the petition is located on requires certain information as to prevent repeat signatures so I assure you, it's genuine. A peition of just 4,000 signatures got Being Human a new series on BBC 3 and now not only is it successful but BBC America is getting it later this year. Also such a petition got Forever Knight it's third season released to DVD and a Volume 2 soundtrack.

The only problem here is, The Scifi Channel never much cared to listen to it's fans or admit it made a mistake.

Yet again I emphasize I LIKED Tin Man. Would I go out of my way to watch it again? Not really. It was intriguing when it aired. And I love the Steampunk look and feel. (I'm a Tim Burton fan and it's very Burtonesque). But out of the shows that aired in 2007 I'd really rather have The Dresden Files IF I was given the choice. I know I'm not getting that choice, that doesn't change which I would rather have, does it?

I wish, very much, that the pinheads upstairs at SciFi would just quit inflicting themselves on the fandom. They cancelled Dresden Files by refusing to make a decision on renewing it until Paul Blackthorne decided to take another job. Because, you know, he had got this terrible need to eat sometime that month. And the pinheads then tried to blame it on him.
Anyone who's paid any attention to network television has come to the conclusion that artistic merit has very little to do with what shows are allowed to continue. All we fans can do is to do our level best to hold the "suits" accountable for their mistakes, and figure out how to hit them where it hurts: ratings and advertising. Oh, and using new media, since the dinosaurs (No offense intended, "Anonymous Rex" fans) seem to adamantly ignore what they don't understand...
BRING BACK DRESDEN FILES!

Plot-wise, I'm not sure how a regular series would work, but my wife and I did enjoy the miniseries. (She's not really into sci-fi, so that's worth something.) Not to mention, Sci Fi could do a lot worse than making Tin Man a series (specifically all of the terrible monster of the week movies and the reality crap they subside on between new episodes of BSG and Eureka).

I think "Tin Man" would work better as a second miniseries.

"Dresden Files" should have been picked up for a second season.

"The Lost Room" has potential as a series, but would probably be better as a second miniseries.

The Axed podcast has an award for the station with the worst rep for canceling shows the past year. It is called the "Fox" award.

(Check out the podcast, it is funny, entertaining and informative. They've reviewed "Jeremiah" and will have a review of "Tru Calling" out this week.)

Scifi does take chances, and will make mistakes, too bad one of them was canceling "Dresden Files".

Oh, I hope they make more Tin Man! I loved the first miniseries; a sequel would be fantastic! A second miniseries or TV show, I dont care. Just show more Cain/DG moments ;)

Oh, I hope they make more Tin Man! I loved the first miniseries; a sequel would be fantastic! A second miniseries or TV show, I dont care. Just show more Cain/DG moments ;)

Id much rather watch Tin Man than Dresden Files. I loved the Dresden Files books but the show bored me to tears.

To each their own, lilwolf. But many of us (as you can see from the comments NOT from myself) The Dresden Files had fans and most of us did not find it boring at all. I, in no way, meant to cause a rift between Tin Man fans and Dresden Files fans. I simply stated that out of the two I would perfer The Dresden Files to come back. Right now there are roughly five people on these comments who feel that way and only two who claim to have hated Dresden Files in some strange retaliation against my stating my preference. (Loyalty to Tin man doees NOT require you to dislike another just because I happen to perfer Dresden over Tin Man.) And then there are the half dozen others who just think Tin man the series is a bad idea without allegance to Dresden Files or Tin Man. I liked Tin man, I liked the feel of it. I like Steampunk. I loved Glitch.

BUT I, like Kevin J, Thausgt, John Duncan Yoyo, and ecgordon miss The Dresden Files and would rather see that come back.

I love The Dresden Files novels too but there were things in the show that captivated me that never existed in the books. And there were battle scenes in the books that dragged out (in my opinion) a little too long. The show had some great suspenseful moments and intrigue. I loved The Dresden Files. I loved Bob of the Dresden Files TV show more than I liked Thomas of the books. And I liked Tin Man. It's just a preference that I would rather be watching The Dresden Files TV show out of the two suggested.

If you tally up these comments you would find there are five people here saying they'd rather see Dresden Files, two saying Dresden files was boring and bring on Tin Man, and at least six not that interested in Tin Man in general. It seems my own opinion on fan desires is proven true in this instance. I miss The Dresden Files as do others. It's simple.

I think Tin Man might make a better ongoing series than a miniseries. I'd probably rather see the battlestar prequel thing though.

although dresden was an okay show, i do kind of get tired of it coming up so often on this site. there are other, better shows i'd rather see tried or brought back well before that one.

In this instance there was no comparison more valid. Both were short lived creations of the Scifi channel from 2007. And let's face it, no one wants to see Flash Gordan come back so that only leaves a scan few other shows Scifi made at the same time as Tin Man that deserved a chance. Warehouse 13 will continue to get Dresden Files comparisons until they stop trying to make it the unpleasant off-spring of Friday the 13th the series and The Dresden Files. It's really an uncomfortable combination.

As for better Scifi channel shows that deserve to come back, that is strictly a subjective matter of opinion there.

Hell, the kid in me would still like to see NBC do 10th Kingdom 2 but that ship long ago sailed. With Tin Man, Dresden Files (as also being from the Scifi Channel and airing in 2007 with an equally desperate fan base thirsting for something unique and surreal) was the most valid comparison I could make.

I have no faith in the execs at Sci-fi channel. They agreed to another season of Farscape and then canceled it with very little notice to those involved in the show.

The fan outcry got us The Peacekeeper Wars but that felt rushed and forced.

Once BSG is done I'll have very little reason to turn to the Sci-fi Channel.

Not much of a comparison IMO. Tin Man was designed as a 3 part miniseries and aired in its entirety as the most watched show on sci fi. So it was "exactly the right length lived". Dresden was apparently an ongoing show that was undistinguised enough in ratings to be renewed which is whAt happens to most shows on most channels. One a success, the other not so much. I bet if dresden was the most watched show ever on scifi they'd make more of it. And yes it's subjective which shows should be brought back. That's why I stated my opinion that Dresden should be low on the list as it was pretty mediocre.

I found "The Dresden Files" to be slow paced and a little boring. I watched every episode wanting it to become more interesting, but it never did (for me, anyway). I thought "Tin Man" was a fair miniseries, but I just don't see it as a series; maybe another mini as a sequel, but not an ongoing series. "The Lost Room" seemed to have the most potential of all of these to be an interesting series, but nothing ever came of that, unfortunately.

While "Warehouse 13" with it's "lost items possessing strange properties" central plot theme has the potential for an interesting series in the same vein as "The Lost Room", I'll reserve judgement until I've seen several complete episodes.

Dresden Files was great! Any time I couldn't sleep I'd just turn that on and I'd be out in under an hour!

You Dresden fans are funny. You talk as if you've been done a great wrong - except you forget the one main guiding principle of TV: If enough people watch, a show will stay on. If too few people watch, the show goes away. It's really that simple. Not enough people watched Dresden. I know you think it was the best thing ever, but you're in a small minority.

Thogar, you are entitled to your opinion but I and others here would strongly disagree and did not find Dresden Files boring at all, it was intelligent and well written. Blue, that view about the ratings is a myth. As someone pointed on a different article's comments, this is the era of the Internet and facts can be looked up. The editorial review on amazon is wrong. Dresden Files was the third highest rated show on Scifi for 2007 and at times even beat the ratings on Battlestar Galactica. That's third highest on a channel that was also airing Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Ghosthunters, Flash Gordan, Painkiller Jane and other original productions that year. It's because the ratings were so high for Dresden Files that no one can figure out why it was not continued. Check the Neilson website and Scifi's own records if you don't believe me.

Truth, your name is a cosmic irony. I suggest you check scifi channel's own records. Dresden Files was the third highest rated show (over all) for the Scifi Channel in 2007 and it was up against some heavy competition with Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Ghosthunters, Destination Truth, Falsh Gordan, Painkiller Jane and Eureka yet all of those were renewed and not Dresden Files. So don't LIE while using a Truth screen name. That is disgraceful and shameful.

It's the fact that the ratings WERE so high that no one can figure out why it was canceled. The only place that ever claimed it died of low ratings is the editorial review on amazon (which by the way gets episode numbering and titles wrong as well). Don't assume it died of low ratings simply because it's a logical explanation. There really wasn't one. Scifi's own records will prove that.

Well I loved Tin Man and would support anything else they tried to do with it, whether a TV Series or just another miniseries sequel. It also sounds like I should have caught the Dresden Files with so many fans seeming to miss it. But why are they griping about it here...what does it have to do with Tin Man?

Truth, your name is a cosmic irony. I suggest you check scifi channel's own records. Dresden Files was the third highest rated show (over all) for the Scifi Channel in 2007 and it was up against some heavy competition with Battlestar Galactica, Stargate, Stargate Atlantis, Ghosthunters, Destination Truth, Flash Gordan, Painkiller Jane and Eureka yet all of those were renewed (save for Painkiller Jane and Trash Gordan) and not Dresden Files. So don't LIE while using a Truth screen name. That is disgraceful and shameful.

It's the fact that the ratings WERE so high that no one can figure out why it was canceled. The only place that ever claimed it died of low ratings is the editorial review on amazon (which by the way gets episode numbering and titles wrong as well). Don't assume it died of low ratings simply because it's a logical explanation. There really wasn't one. Scifi's own records will prove that.

Oh, and Pete... changing screen names to try to prove your view... that's kind of low. And a form of spamming. You do realize these sort of sites keep track of ISP addresses right?

syberwolf, I brought up Dresden Files first when I off handedly said in my first post that out of the two I would prefer to see Dresden Files continued though I do LIKE Tin Man. The comparison was made because they both aired around the same time in 2007 on the same channel. I even made it clear that I LIKED Tin Man, it's just I preferred something else Scifi made at the same time. Somehow or another that caused a vendeta with some bitter Tin Man fans and when other Dresden Files fans spoke up that caused more angry Tin Man fans to insist Dresden Files was boring as if I had declared some sort of war against them in having a preference even though I LIKED Tin Man!

I hope not. the mini-series was quite dull.

Got to agree with Nancy as well....Dresden was very enjoyable...this wasn't bad, but the actress playing the Dorthy character was subpar (to be nice)

Tin Man was OK, just OK, but the ending was weak, weak, weak. The ending was so incredibly facile that it pretty much pulled down everything that preceded it.
Without a major overhaul of the characters and situation, this would never fly as a series.
Why not invest the same time and money in some period productions of the remaining novels in the OZ series, instead of this 4th-hand rehash of the story we have already seen too many times?

Despite the fact that some people prefer one show over another the majority of those who watched Tin Man probably aren't posting on the internet about it. The ratings Tin Man brought in speak louder than any comment that can be made. With that being said it looks like it deserves a shot.

I see, well cool...I am definitely gonna see if I can catch some reruns of Dresden, this isn't the only place I have seen people speaking up for it so I gotta see what the hype is about. I also got jipped on a whole buncha shows like Firefly and probably Sarah Connor pretty soon but I know those are Fox...

I hope they make a series. Note to Sci-Fi - you do not have alot of winning series right now, and I'm becoming sick of seeing Amanda Tapin in every series you have on TV at the moment. It would be refreshing to see talented actors again, being Neal, Alan, Zooey, Raoul, and Kathleen. For non-Sci-Fi geeks, this is just the right recipe.

Just do not screw it up.

I think this will bring success to Sci Fi. But I'm not sure about a series. I'd love to see another mini-series, perhaps a 6-parter??

Each of the actors bring with them a huge cult following, especially Zooey, Neal and Alan. I loved watching the chemistry between them all, and there is obviously ALOT more story to tell in The O.Z.

Sci-Fi go for it! What else are you gonna invest in? Another Ogre movie?? PLEASE NO!

Tin Man: I'd much rather see a second mini series rather than a weekly show - I really did enjoy the mini series.

Dresden Files: Never really could get into it - I watched part of the first episode and I have to say it was just slow going and failed to catch my interest.

I'll take anything over some of the campy cheesy things that they are putting on - Warbirds? Invasion? Ogre? Come on!

Pete, in regard to Dresden Files, you should have given it more of a chance. The first episode is mostly just to introduce you to the characters and the mythos of the rest of the series. I happened to like all the episodes. I guess it's a matter of taste. A lot of Dresden files fans felt Tin Man was boring (I didn't). I just felt if any show from 2007 was to get a chance now Dresden would have been the better choice.

Dresden Files were cool, dark, and hot when Harry took of his clothes.

Tin Man might not have offended so many people if they hadn't BOMBARDED everyone with the ads for it to the point that I nearly had PTSD flashbacks whenever those wretched ads would come on.

Bring Back StarTrek :Enterprise series With same cast i think it would do good on SCIFI CHANNEL.

WHAT! You killed Dresden and giving life to the Tin Man.What is wrong with you,HELLO,WAKE-UP.There are thousands of Dresdenites who want the show back.

Everyone has the right to their opinion however it is in my own opinion that I strongly disagree with ctmm's statement about Enterprise. Following a prime directive that didn't exist yet, the captain chastising a grieving officer for teaching a slave girl how to read and wanting to help her when she begged them for help, yet the captain blamed that officer when she committed suicide! Then in a different episode killing a clone for spare parts for a wounded officer and the captain was all for it and was willing to murder the clone if he didn't willingly die for the parts! Piccard would never have allowed that. Nor Kirk. Archer is the most dark and disturbing captain ever and they try to make him look 'all American' and wholesome. That show REALLY turned me off. I thought Scott Backula was better than that. I mean, look at how good he was as Sam on Quantum Leap. And his captain on Enterprise came off as a rotten jerk.

But then again I'm more of a Whovian (Doctor Who fan) than a Trekkie and I never cared for the Prime Directive at all. What's the point of all this travel if you can't try to make things better that are in need of change?

The more I think about Enterprise and it's shoddy writing and it's 'heroes' the more disgusted I become.

And gypsy the simple fact is this (though I am in full agreement with you) the Scifi Channel does not care about it's viewers anymore. If it did than Dresden Files would not have been canceled. I know people WANT to think it had bad ratings (Because why else kill off a show that good?) but the fact is it's ratings were actually extremely good, third highest rated over all for the channel in 2007. There was no logical reason for it's cancelation.

Dresden Files was the first Scifi show in a long time where there was a hero. An honest to God Hero. The last time I had seen such a classic portrayal of a hero, someone you could really look at as the hero and not just some angsty ...emo, I have to look back to Duncan MacLeod on Highlander the series.

Please Sci Fi channel, please make Tin Man into a series, or another mini. I thought it was very good, I especially loved Neal McDonough and Alan Cumming.

So my view that if Dresden was the highest rated show in Sci Fi history they'd make more episodes is a myth? Really? Well, you might be right but I highly doubt it. BTW third highest rated in a given year vs. highest rated show in history of the network aren't even in the same ballpark.

Blue, what I was trying to say is that it's a myth that The Dresden Files was canceled because it had low ratings. Look at Truth's ironically untrue statement 'Not enough people watched Dresden.' The fact that a lot of people did watch it, it was third highest rated for 2007 on the Scifi channel. The fact that it even occasionally beat Battlestar Galactica in the ratings and that shows far less popular (such as Destination Truth) continued is why no one could grasp the lack of reason for the Dresden Files cancelation.

I don't know if the budget would be there for a whole TV series for Tin Man, but I could see another miniseries working. I quite liked it, but as most of the others have said here, the ending was very weak. I'd like for Scifi to revisit that Universe though; it was pretty richly built and I could see a potential to adapt L. Frank Baum's other books or at least mine them for storylines, or - and this is a novel idea! - make up new ones!

If Tin Man had stunk any more than it did, I would have had to clean my television with ammonia.

One thing I've learned about sci-fi fans is that their favorite shows are never canceled because of ratings. It's an interesting premise. I wonder why so many sci-fi shows have conspiracies around them?

Im with you, Mandy. To each his own.

Yeah, there are parts of Tin Man I dont like (mostly the script in the last ten minutes of part three, it was way too cheesy) but something about it just caught my attention and I love it! In my eyes, one of the best things Sci-Fi channel has ever turned out (and thats a very small list I hold in my hands).

I find it really interesting how people can be so torn on a subject. My mother and I are huge fans of the books series, The Dresden Files, but we couldnt stand the TV show. I watched the first episode and didnt care enough to watch any more; my mother got through the third one before she gave up too. We both thought it was too slow and we couldnt stand the changes they made from the books (like Bob looking human; that broke my heart).

I got into a disscussion with another Desden fan, one who liked the books and show. When I explained my position, the person was astounded that I hadnt liked the show because even the author, Jim Butcher, loved the show. I tried to explain that it didnt matter if Jim Butcher himself had come to my home with the complete DVD set and begged me to love the show. I would have to tell him, 'Thanks but no thanks, Ill stick to your books'.

Just an interesting observation.

Mandy, if beating a dead horse was a profession, you'd be an expert. Dresden is dead and gone; it's never coming back. Time to move on.

But I suppose this is what you're fantasizing will happen: Gee, Mandy, your arguments are too compelling. I've changed my mind and decided I just love Dresden! How can I be expected to resist such persistence? It's impossible, so I'm joining all you Dresden lovers because you're just too darned impressive.

Happy now?

Did anyone notice that Sci-Fi did not run its usual winter mini-series? Given the success of Tin-Man, it's surprising that Sci-Fi chose to abandon its usual commitment to delivering new, blockbuster programming.

Finally, Tin-Man was BORING!

There is more than one factor in the renewal of a show. One is the number of people watching the show. Another is the demographics of the people watching the show. The most important is the cost of the show.

If the licensing of a show costs too much, it will fail. If a show has too many big name actors, it will fail. My guess is Dresden had too much licensing cost.

Lets see some new shows with good writing, a small number of good actors, small sets and no exotic locations.

There is more than one factor in the renewal of a show. One is the number of people watching the show. Another is the demographics of the people watching the show. The most important is the cost of the show.

If the licensing of a show costs too much, it will fail. If a show has too many big name actors, it will fail. My guess is Dresden had too much licensing cost.

Lets see some new shows with good writing, a small number of good actors, small sets and no exotic locations.

Thogar, don't be rude. You're supposed to be respectful of the opinions of others here eve if you don't agree with them. I have yet to condescend to you or personally insult you for your views. I told you that I would prefer to see The Dresden Files come back. You didn't like The Dresden Files. That's fine.

But the irony here is you call it 'dead and gone' when it's no older than Tin Man. That was my very point. They were made at the same time. To call Dresden Files dead and gone what does that say of Tin Man? The Dresden Files still has fans. Scifi still has access to the cast and crew and is going as far as to recycle a plot device from it for Warehouse 13. Tin Man would cost a LOT to make into a decent TV series, especially the surreal alternate reality. The Dresden Files required little more than filming rights in Toronto for Chicago and some simple CGI effects. They were made about the same time. The fan base size is roughly the same. I did like Tin man but out of the shows that aired in 2007 Dresden was not only cheaper to make but also would have been more practical as an on going TV series. Not to mention Tin Man's ending felt weak to me though I did like Tin Man.

It's okay to dislike The Dresden Files, I don't mind that you didn't like it the way I did but I find it funny that this article is the first place I have ever seen the show called slow paced or boring. It almost seems retaliatory against those that thought Tin Man was slow and boring (which I did NOT).

Lilwolf, it's okay to be a 'book purist.' That's how I was about that God-awful movie, Queen of the damned. However sometimes changes from a book can be an improvement. In example, with The Dresden Files Bob of the TV show was voted by even book fans as being the one true improvement for the TV show. Admittedly it took me a little while to get used to the hockey stick / staff and the drum stick / wand but they eventually grew on me. It's the same Harry Dresden, it's just the adventures were different. It would have been impractical to adapt each episode as one novel when at the time there were only eight Dresden Files novels... and one of those novels consisted of a climax involving a reanimated dinosaur kept alive with Polka Music. That might work in the books but it would have translated very poorly on TV. Five things I wish they had covered with The Dresden Files TV series 1. Who killed Harry's mother in the mythos of the show? Sure, we know who her killer was in the books but would that have been different for the show? How would that have played out? 2. The mysterious back story of Bob and Winifred. I've counted over a hundred fan fictions trying to elaborate on that. 3. Would Thomas Raith have eventually appeared on the show? I loved him as a character. 4. How did The High Council come into being? 5. Harry Dresden's trial after he killed Justin (Episode 10, What about Bob). The trial was talked about a great deal but never actually seen. I would love to have seen a flash back of Harry Dresden's trial. There were a LOT of unresolved issues with the show.

Ralf, a while back a few of us Dresden Files fans were told we were more than likely the wrong demographic. Scifi supposedly had hoped for the show to appeal to younger males and ended up with older females (I'm twenty-seven and female). Never mind the ratings were extremely good. What did they expect the audience to be made of? They had a very attractive thirty-five-year-old lead and the guy playing Bob was a Tony Award winning Broadway icon who had his own cluster of fan girls pining for him since the eighties. If us being the wrong demographic is the true reason it's very ironic and hypocritical of the Scifi Channel because they were boasting about wanting more female viewers and proudly getting it with Battlestar Galactica (And then listing off the most sexist reasons as to why it was appealing to women...)

Yet again, I only made the comparison between Tin man and Dresden Files because both shows were released at the same time by the same channel. One was pre-formatted to be an on going TV series. The other was not. Dresden Files is more suited for an on going TV series than Tin Man was. Tin Man works as a mini series (though I'll continue to say the ending was weak). But considering the budget and sets required for Tin Man I don't think Tin Man can possibly work as an on going TV series. Either they won't be able to earn back what they'll spend on effects OR they'll trim down the effects and other costs and suddenly you will have a very, very poor quality shadow of what you were hoping for. Out of all the shows made in 2007 The Dresden Files would have just been the more practical show.

Personally I think it's rude to pollute the comments of any article related to a new show on Sci Fi with an endless variation of "They should bring back Dresden Files" but that' s just my opinion.

Blue, I simply responded to those who responded to me. That's only polite. And you want to see endless repetition, go look at the comments for the article about a Battlestar Galactica reboot movie. I winced before even reading it. I won't touch those comments with a stick.

How many articles have you commented about on this site and brought up the Dresden Files, even though the article your commenting on never mentioned the show and no one else brought it up?

Actually Blue, only on this article (about a show released by the same people at the same time as Dresden Files) and a few of the articles for Warehouse 13. Warehouse 13 has one of the writers of The Dresden Files, two of the cast members, and is recycling a ghost storyline originated from Dresden Files so it's kind of unavoidable. And on the Warehouse 13 articles, just because I'm first does not make me the only one. I was one of the first to post on the last Twilight article. That certainly doesn't make me the only one who thinks Twilight is mediocre.

I was the first to bring up Anne Rice on the Twilight article comments, that certainly doesn't mean I'm the only one whose read her work. Kindly stop fixating on me over what originally was a three line comment. Everything after that was a reply.

you're not gonna get mandy to stop talking about dresden. she/he started 20 of the last 24 topics on the dresden forum in the last 2 weeks and even created some odd graphics about the dresden characters talking about warehouse 13. she's more than a little obsessed. just ignore her.

Gaiman, those graphics were made by request by someone who asked me to make them on the Blue Whale Dresden Files Forum. Don't start acting like I made those for the Hell of it. I was ASKED to do those. Google the Blue Whale Dresden Files forum and then look under the threads on Fan Art. So you're following me from forum to forum now? I also post a LOT on the internet movie data base's Being Human forum. If the Scifi site had a forum for that you can bet I'd have twenty or so topics there too. There are a lot of things that interest me. Do not start personally attacking over it. These comments are supposed to have rules. You just crossed the line into not only personal insults but also stalkerish behaviour. And distorting facts about what I do on forums... you know that's slander, my friend. Be careful where you tread.

I'm talketive. I'm talketive about things I like and even don't like. ALL Of this originated from what was a THREE LINE comment and it's replies. And now you're throwing personal insults. You crossed a line.

I may be opening a big old dirty can of worms here, but WHAT THE HECK IS The Dresden Files? Is that like a rip off of The X Files?

Anyhow,

YAY! More Tin Man! Please! if that means more Neal all the time in those PANTS! Bring it on!

Dresden Files was a short lived Scifi TV show based on the book series by Jim Butcher about a private investigator who happens to practice magick and deals with cases all involving the secret supernatural under-belly of Chicago. Think of the old Sam Spade detective stories if there were vampires, werewolves, wizards, demons, and other such creatures hiding among us and or living among us passing for ordinary people. The main character (at least on the show) had a sardonic ghost as a roommate that gave the show some great quirky humour. It had nothing to do with the X-files. It was more like Sam Spade meets Harry Potter. It was fun. I enjoy nearly all urban fantasy. Highlander: The series, Forever Knight, She-wolf of London, Buffy the vampire slayer (to a certain degree), Being Human... The only urban fantasy I couldn't really get into was Charmed.

Pushing Daises also sort of counts as urbban fantasy. The best current urban fantasy TV show currently on air is Being Human airing on BBC 3 right now and soon to come to BBC America. It's one of the most unique shows I've seen in a long time.

That's kind of why I liked Tin Man. It wasn't quite urban fantasy but it was Steampunk and I love Steampunk too. I just felt Tin man's ending was weak.

I've loved Neal McDonough in everything I've seen him in, including Tin Man.... but that miniseries was wretched. Maybe with a leading lady who was a bit more of an actor it might have worked.

Peter Krause is regrettably free from the magnificently trashy Dirty Sexy Money, so if he ends up needing work I'd love to see Lost Room made into a series.

*ahem* I'd just like to point out here that The Dresden Files was one of SciFi's five top-rated series for it's season; more than once doing better than both Battlestar Galactica and the Stargates. WHATEVER the reason SciFi dropped it, that reason was NOT poor ratings, whatever they may be saying now.

I'd also like to say that, when I did end up watching, I liked Tin Man much more than I'd thought I would, if I had to choose, I'd choose The Dresden Files

Why all the hatein' on Zooey? She is beautiful and quirky. I thought her performance was crazy-beautiful. I swear, if they would have had a screaming girly girl, I would have wanted to punch someone. People forget that her character was a young woman thrown into a world of crazy. How in the heck would YOU react? Other than run away screaming from everything. Seriously, I would have punched myself out.

And enough about this Dresden thing. Seriously. We're talking about Tin Man here. GET OVER IT!

I think it's unlikely Tin Man will become a series unless they recast the title role. Neal McDonough has a big, juicy role on Desperate Housewives this season. DH's ratings are in the neighborhood of 15-20 million viewers a week. There's no way he'd give that up to star in a low-budget, obscure cult show on a low-rated cable network. Even if his character is written out at the end of this season, as seems likely, a role like the one on DH can be a stepping stone to much bigger and better things. Take Nathan Fillion, for example. He was on DH for half a season last season, and now he's starring in his own show on ABC.

Skiffy could hire another actor for Tin Man's role and anger the fans. It's not as if they care about our opinions. If they did, they would long since have brought back a certain wizard and ghost show.

Mandy's telling the truth when she says she was asked to create those graphics on the BWP forum. I'm one of the people who asked her to.

Dresden File and Tin Man are at the end of there stories end of story!!!

i'd like to see a tin man series. i found it very enjoyable.

Tin Man is undeserved of being called a hit -- it did not live up to its promise. Zooey Dachenal gave a cardboard performance. Despire my personal dislike for Richard Dreyfuss, the only acting occured during his scenes. It was only when he was on screen that the film shined.

Tin Man was disappointing, particularly Zooey Deschannel, but was that her fault? She has out shown many headliners (Failure to Launch for example), it's just a matter of having the proper script and direction. She clearly had neither here. For taht matter she was poor in The Happening too, but so was mark Wahlberg so that leads me to blaming it on script and direction again.

WOW 74 comments about TinMan or not TinMan. And it WASN'T a REWORKING of "The Wizard.." it was a sequeal. She was the "Grey Dorothy"s great grand daughter.

My whole family enjoyed Tin Man, along with Lost Room, however Skiffy seems hell bent to give us garbage like Flush Gordon and Painful-to-Watch-Jane instead. Hope to at least get another Tin Man mini-series if they aren't moving forward with a regular series. It was also a mistake to axe Dresden and SG1. I hardly watch Skiffy anymore.

scifi channel has to much supernatural and fantasy
Shows How about a new space series like ENTERPRISE with same cast!!!

I rarely leave posts on wire, but I had to get in on this.

First, how does Sci-Fi define a "hit"? They have a funny way of treating their "hits". It wasn't 2 years ago when they were calling Dresden their new hit series. SG1: hit and gone. Battlestar's a hit but going away in a few. What's next, Eureka?

Second, I liked Tin Man, but for goodness sake... it was a bit disappointing for me.

Third, I do agree that they need to focus more on science fiction. I think Sci Fi in its effort to be hyper-inclusive has alienated a lot of people. The stuff I see is a lot of fantasy... and the movies are mainly horror. Personally, I would love to see them go back to their roots: a space-based series (they did amazingly well with Farscape); more purely SCI FI movies...god knows there's tons of material out there.
*gets off soapbox and prepares for flaming and subsequent revocation of posting privileges.*

I did not like Enterprise for reasons listed in one of my above comments. It's a long post so I don't want to try repeating some of it it's content.

I think a lot of people have forgotten what this channel used to be. There was a time when the scifi channel had three major catagories. Science fiction, Gothic / supernatural based horror, and fantasy. The Scifi channel show Scifi buzz used to be divided into these catagories. There isn't much in the way of fantasy anymore. Dresden was the first urban fantasy of the Scifi channel and I loved it. I liked Tim Man's Steampunk look but I just don't think it'll work as a series.

And in regard to another comment about 'hit' shows. Yes, Scifi did used to consider Dresden Files a hit. There was a congratulatory article posted in some magazine or another to Jim Butcher on the show based on his books being such a hit. That was when the show was in it's short run. I'm still trying to figure out how Destination Truth is a 'hit' though because that's beyond my sense of logic and rules of nature...

SciFi can just close up shop if they make this a series. They have alienated all their fans by treated them like garbage. With Farscape, Stargate SG-1/Atlantis, and Battlestar gone, there isn't any reasn to watch SciFi. Wrestling, Ghost Hunters, or those horrible B-movies on Saturday night? Please! I rather watch Lifetime with my wife than the crap that is on now!

I so agree with ravix and many others here. SciFi channel has been severely raping it's fan base lately. SG-1, Atlantis, BSG, all gone or going, Eureka is a fun entertaining show I enjoy and I loved the Dresden files, even my wife liked it, who is a very hard to get fan of any SciFi, she even likes the new Dr Who and Torchwood (which I wish Sci Fi would buy) all says something about the shows they should be making and stop with the filler crap! There are so many things that they could be putting out as great sci fi and just are missing the boat on. I think some of the series could be done in a one episode a month rotating slot like the old NBC mystery theater was with Columbo, McMillian and wife, Banachek it gives writers and producers more latitude for budget and story writing, the only thing is can today's audiences be patient enough to support a show they only see once or twice a month? I think if they were really good and had good casts and writing, that different show styles could be lumped into rotating slot formats and it might work.
But look isnt Sci Fi channel owned by NBC? They havent had a great track record at all with SciFi shows can anyone say Star Trek TOS?
And just look at Knightrider (ahhhh) and the Sara Conner Chronicles the last few episodes have been very boring last weeks was a total snoozer funny since it had something to do with a sleep clinic, best part of the episode was Summer Glau in her bra and panties (which could have been a longer scene) Look at what happened to Serenity and Space Above and Beyond all shows with great concepts and fan base and acclaim from critics yet died horrible deaths by the network suits. None of these guys have a great mind set as far as show longevity or direction, all that matters is it making quick profits on the balance sheets not what is true art or entertainment to the audience. I doubt Tin Man will be a series that gets made. If it does it will probably be weakened and mindless like too much else out there right now.

I didn't read all of the comments on Tin Man but, my own are that this is the best remake of the original Wizard Of OZ story ever done. It is completely up to date with our times so any of the younger generation that veiw it will understand it and can relate to any of the older generation.

Great Job!!!!!

I totally would love it if they continued it as long as all the old actors returned and the plot line was not crap.There are very few shows that actually have substance now on regular stations so something like Tin Man would be a breathe of fresh air for me.