They said that same thing when season 2 first began. Like John was supposed to step up and take control, but he still acts like a rebellious teenager.

Here's what I'd like to see happen to save the season.

1. Remove ADULT Kyle Reese from appearing in the show. I know this is just candy for the hardcore fans, but it will just stray too many questions and make T1 seem completely pointless.

2. How bout Sarah Connor quit acting like a drama queen and start training John to being a hardcore-type soldier. I wanna see a Linda Hamilton impression done on her.
3. Remove Riley from the show. She has absolutely no point on the show except being a love-interest to John we already know Kate is John's wife. Let us see John and Kate first meet, that would be interesting.
4. How bout we remove the love-interest between Cameron and John, and I mean completely from the story. We saw something like that starting in the latest episode let's say we explore that a little more. John doesn't have to hate Cameron, but I most certainly never want to see them kiss.
4. Derek is about the only thing interesting driving the show at this point. Let's have Derek do an accidental run into young Kyle there's some interesing things I'm sure we can see from that.
5. Do something interesting with Catherine Weaver, I'm tired of seeing her boring ranting going on and on about the computer program she's working on. Let her have a one on one with Cameron or John or Sarah or someone....
6. Cromartie becoming John Henry was a very bad move. Lets have John Henry get a bug or virus in his program and turn into an evil John Henry and escaping and maybe Catherine trying to hunt him down or something, at least it would pull Weaver outside her boring office and see her in some more action.
6. Lets have young Kyle Reese come aboard for a few episodes and lets see the interaction of him and Sarah NOW that would be something to tell.
7. Remove Derek's girlfriend from the show. Her only point is to pull John away from Cameron so she can taker her out. That idea is boring it would be more interesting if she was wanting to take out John instead that at least would have someone on the show hunting John which makes the whole show interesting in the first place. I'd rather it be a machine hunting him, but they already screwed that up so far.
8. I think it's time for John to start acting like a man. And believe me driving a car around with a girlfriend kissing him on the check and punching a dude in the face for pysically touching his girlfriend at a party neither of them should have even been to to begin with is far from that. Lets see John start working more with guns, being more civil to his mother and working on the field as Derek's backup a lot more often. And maybe making suggestions to Derek during an intense gun battle, not an order but a suggestion.
7. End the season on a big cliffhanger. Let's say someone tried to take John out, but the bullet missed him and critically wounded young Kyle Reese. Now all the good guys on the show race around the clock to save Kyle, or the future leader John Connor may fade from existence resulting in an inevitable win for the machines. Definately not a blockbuster type ending, but at least would make the show alot more intense... something the show neglected in it's second season so far.

There's so much they can do with this show, but it seems they are heading in the wrong direction. The proof of that is the show has low ratings. All the writers need to do is start thinking more instead of trying to deliberatly avoid connecting anything with this show to that of the movies of which the show is even based on....

sounds like the show is going to get better , and the last few eps should be real good.
nice to hear summers comments which were edited on i09 article.
good luck on friday nights I hope the show does good enough for a 3rd season!

also I had to submit six times to get the letters i box right, and then had to reload the page to get some letters I could make out !!!!!!!!!!!!!1

sounds like the show is going to get better , and the last few eps should be real good.
nice to hear summers comments which were edited on i09 article.
good luck on friday nights I hope the show does good enough for a 3rd season!

also I had to submit six times to get the letters i box right, and then had to reload the page to get some letters I could make out !!!!!!!!!!!!!
no wonder you only have 1 comment now I entered the letters right and it still wont submit !!

nice :]
cant wait :D

Summer's comments initally sounded like the series will end this spring, which considering the rating is highly likely.

I think the series will end with Cameron being destroyed and Sarah being killed, which will lead us to the really messed up John Connor we see at the beginning of T-3.

I don't know how Cameron is destroyed but I think Sarah is taken out by the femme fatales from the future. In their recent discussion they said that they had to get John away from "her." Everyone assumes they meant Cameron, but I think they're referring to Sarah. Otherwise, they would have said, 'We have to get her away from "it."'

Love the series, but I think the end is nearer than we think.

Peace

I love Cameron and The Sarah Connor Chronicles so I will be watching with bated breath. Thank God I will have a show to keep me awake now on Friday nights, who needs Galactica when you can have kick ass Summer Glau.

There's no question that Jesse's plot is directed at Cameron because Jesse explicitly said the problem is that future John spends all his time with Cameron and doesn't talk to anyone else. So it's not Sarah Jesse is concerned about.

Cameron won't die because that WOULD kill the show dead for many, if not most, fans.

And since the central issue of the entire franchise is the relationship between man and machine, the John-Cameron relationship most definitely should be the central aspect of the show. And while the relationship should not be a simple "shipper love story", that does not preclude a relationship that even includes the physical. But it should be developed slowly over, say, five seasons worth of episodes.

I couldn't disagree more with the direction that Squirrel would like to take the show. We can't rely on action alone to carry a show like this. First, it gets repetitive really quickly; and second, it requires a bigger budget. Keep the focus on the evolving relationships between the characters. No more terminators of the week.

I agree that Riley needs to be phased out, but to Summer's point, I want to see Cameron's plan to draw John closer unfold. Inasmuch as Riley remains an obstacle to Cameron's plans, she serves a purpose.

I think Weaver's just fine. She is the most sophisticated terminator at this point in the show, and should continue to rely more on her brain than her brawn. Her physical prowess should be unleashed to devastating effect at times however, more so than ever, but in less cheesy ways. No more cheap stunts like morphing from urinals. Put the Connors in her crosshairs.

I agree with the poster above that the evolving relationship between man and machine is central to the show. I think this goes beyond John and Cameron. All the main characters should be waxing philosophically on the man's relationship to technology.

In season one, Josh Friedman made us care for these characters. I really don't care for John anymore. He isn't growing in any appreciable way that's meaningful to the audience.

I agree that Sarah and Derek should be training John right now. Sarah needs to continue to lead, but John should be learning from her. That's hasn't been happening.

I didn't mean to be so prescriptive, but we all want the show to thrive.

By the way, "Lost" is a great template for TSCC to follow.

i've seen some good comments but as well as some extremely inaccurate ones, mostly concerning SCC's relation to the other terminator movies.

when terminator SCC first came out the writers and producers went to great length to tell the audience that SCC doesn't play out in the movies. everything up to T2 is in cannon for SCC but after that there was no T3 (no arnold, no tx, and yes no catherine brewster in the SCC universe). if that were the case then SCC's writers would be SEVERELY handicapped with where they could take the show since it would take place between T2 and T3. As squirel pointed out John would end up with Catherine - that kills any built up suspence that we the audience would have in terms of possible love interests. it'd be the biggest of plot spoilers. SCC takes place in an alternate timeline. such a phenomenon can only take place in the terminator universe so of course why not use it to your advantage.

the cameron and john thing - first impressions make a big impact. as josh friedman said in an interview one of the things you need to do at the beginning of a story, movie, or tv show is to establish a kind of empathy between the audience and the main characters. that's why there are so many people pulling for a cam/john thing because we met them first and had the first season to see them develop their relationships with each other. if john met riley first then things might have been completely different. also the forbidden love thing between john and cam is not unlike another girl power show a while back (does ne1 remember the whole buffy-angel saga and why dating dead guys was a no no?)

john is sixteen and naturally he's acting like a repressed 16 year old teenager who has had a very tough childhood. and as derek said in the fifth episode of season two (the tower is tall but the fall is short) john connor was NOT the one who had the real "military experience" that the resistance needed at first. bedel did and he helped john to learn that over time.

i do agree with getting more action into these episodes. the show is based off two movies and each with enough violence to rival any other movie out there. it's great that the writers are trying to make it into a plot that has episodes as a series versus stand alones,but still more action and stunts are needed and if SCC doesn't put out then it will lose a majority of its audience (including myself)

finally i'll just touch back to john's relationship with sarah, or rather everyone else fot that matter. yes he's been the biggest brat on the show so far and yes we hate seeing all this angst (actually i don't mind the angst, gives the show more depth, but that's my opinion) but what about the pros? if john never learns to be more independent and seperate himself from others when needed then he'll never be the leader he needs to become. there were three moments in particular that stand out most to me where you see the real "future john" breaking out when everyone else was telling him to do the "safe" thing and each time John proved to be in the right. The first one was in the first season when John snuck on board that truck and into the bunker so he could try and destroy the metal that would later become part of the terminator endoskeletons. cameron referred to this as something the future john would do: "John does these things", she said. the second is a big giveaway when in the season premiere john, instead of burning cameron like any other sane person would, risks it all and reactivates her. that's a real turningpoint when he takes a stand apart from everyone else - including holding a gun for the first time in the series. finally in the episode "the tower is tall but the fall is short" we see john putting himself at great risk by identifying himself as john connor to the terminator that was pursuing bedel, so that way bedel could escape. So think of it like this. If John was being trained as a soldier, where one usually follows orders, John never would have done any of these things. leaders aren't born overnight, like how the John Connor seemingly was in T3. and even though John "does these things" it's these very things that help evolve John into the leader that the resistance will need after Judgment Day. A leader who must think unconventionally and be able to make the hard decisions in order to defeat Skynet.

I really enjoying watching SCC in my country .
although it's not officially air in my country but
aproaching different way ,I can see that show , but what I was so worry about is that
not a rating but a story , I think somewhat story goes ironical way, love fight etc ,I dont wanna blame or criticize about the show but something right proceduer must be done to the show like other netizen's said. anyway I have been watching the show very satisfied and I wish that the show flourish in the U.S or other country. Good luck!

quote: ''By severus at 12:20 PM ON 02/05/09: By the way, "Lost" is a great template for TSCC to follow.''

please go out back and shoot yourself in the head.
people like you ruin good shows by giving total bullshit.

TSCC is ace.

as for lost..... well i watch it for laughing at it.. has more flashback/flashforwards/sideline-stories that mean nothing at all.

TSCC isn't boring to watch because it isn't doing crap mini-stories that don't contribute to the story.

quote: ''By severus at 12:20 PM ON 02/05/09: By the way, "Lost" is a great template for TSCC to follow.''

please go out back and shoot yourself in the head.
people like you ruin good shows by giving total bullshit.

TSCC is ace.

as for lost..... well i watch it for laughing at it.. has more flashback/flashforwards/sideline-stories that mean nothing at all.

TSCC isn't boring to watch because it isn't doing crap mini-stories that don't contribute to the story.

"We can't rely on action alone to carry a show like this. First, it gets repetitive really quickly; and second, it requires a bigger budget."

How about some action? The last episode where a street urchin nearly killed a supposedly combat hardened and trained fighter, albeit one who somehow got breast implants and botox lip treatment in the bleak future, was ridiculous. The dreams within dreams within flashbacks are sure signs the writers have no idea where they're going beyond trying to introduce question after mystery.

The last show sucked. Now if they do get another season, they will have to dance hard to make all of the plot (nonsense) things they unleashed make any sense.

When is the next episode

I liked the show, given I can only catch it online at Fox's site but I can sit down and watch it for hours that way without having to wait a week for the next one. Its over now I guess and has been canceled from what I understand. I enjoyed it, all of it and would have liked to see where the ending led in season 3. Cameron being my fav. character on the show because of how complicated she is. I guess it just wasn't as entertaining for others as much as it was for me. LOL leave it to a Marine grunt to be entertained by what has been described above as a poor story line. Ha, I think not, but the last episode did leave me somewhat perturbed. I could have had a little more closure if your canceling it.

I'm very dissapointed at the cancellation. I do admit that the show had a rough patch (the Riley section) but I was really interested in John Henry. Someone was talking about caring for the characters. I also did not care so much for john and cameron in the second half of the second season, but I cared for Savannah and John Henry, and even Ms. Weaver.