Give J. J. a LITTLE bit of a break, after all most of us longtime fans of the Original Series are not going to be around THAT much longer. Let's do everything we can to keep it alive for generations to come.

Too late, Abrams. The only thing you can do to make it right is to destroy everything related to this new POS you call a movie & let someone else do it right.

After so many years and so many screw-ups, the franchise needs a continuity reboot. I'd be happy if it started everything all over again, as long as it keeps the spirit of the original series..and so far it looks like it will.

He is full of it and is just trying to cover his a**
He should work on lost and make it good again instead of doing paramounts bidding
and making up with all the orginal fans, cause if they don;t like it there will be no more!!!!

He's going to do great... it's not like he's Tim Burton or something, this won't be some kind of Planet of the Apes disaster. Nobody has anything to worry about.

Dear JJ,

Fuck You!

How dare you think you're going to "re-imagine" a sc-fi series without the dedicated sci-fi fans that made it a success to begin with? Can't figure it out? Guess whar? When the movie falls on it's face when the true believers fail to go see it, then you'll start to get it. Hope you're big, fat mouth hasn't ruined it for everyone else associated with the project. But let's face it, when you ran your mouth, you were only thinking of you, right? Great job, J.J.! Keep up the good PR work.

Folks, it's time to get some perspective - take a deep breath and realize that Star Trek is just entertainment.

True believers? Futurama was right. Star Trek is a religion to some people. Well guess what? It's not religion. It's a TV show. A forty year old TV show. Gene Roddenberry gave us a myth from the future. Like all mythology it needs to be reinterpreted for each generation or it will fail to remain relevant. Star Trek's success has always come from exploring contemporary issues in a futuristic setting. Look at the original series. It' stories were all related to concerns of the 1960s such as Civil Rights, Vietnam, and the Cold War. Well it ain't the 1960s anymore. It's time for a new creative team to bring new issues to the Star Trek universe. The new movie hasn't been released yet so it is impossible to say whether or not JJ Abrams has achieved this but he needs to be given a chance.

Are fans relevant? Well, that depends on what you mean by "fans". The movie wouldn't have been made if it weren't for a large reservoir of affection for Star Trek in the public at large. But people who can tell you Spock's serial number really aren't that important to whether this film will be a success or not. Of course, it's a good idea for the producers to maintain good relations with the fan community, because they can help with word-of-mouth and promotion — but the film will succeed or fail depending on whether the public at large likes it. The public liked the "whale out of water" comedy of Star Trek IV, so it was the most successful Trek film. By the time Nemesis came along, the public had been so oversaturated with Trek that the public didn't care — they didn't feel the need to pay at the theatres to see the same sort of thing they'd been getting free on TV for decades.

Now it's been a while since the public saw any new Star Trek, and even longer since they saw Kirk, Spock and McCoy. If Abrams can tap into the general audience's affections for these characters, the film will be successful. If not, it'll fail. Whether it meets the approval of the most dedicated Trekkers is mostly irrelevant.

It's always interesting to read one of these things: it's always reassuring how many giant @sses there are out there. It's also very reassuring that JJ tries to assuage (obnoxious ridiculous) fanboys, he only partly listes to them. Listening to fanboys (and naysaters) is where madness lies. I'm looking forward to the fantastic new film - which will be fantastic no matter what because it's new Trek done with heart and style.

Hey Doon...WATCH YOUR MOUTH
Opinions on either side of this fence are welcome...but keep the vulgarity down. Cuss words are the last resort for people who can't complete their thoughts or articulate ideas.

I'd also just like to point out to the venom-spewing fans that Leonard Nimoy liked this script enough to want to be involved. He had previously said he would *never* do Trek again, and vehemently refused to be involved in any of the TNG movies.

Well, a-holes, the day someone comes along and destroys something very important to you, tells you it doesn't matter what you think about it, it's in his best interest to destroy it and your opinion doesn't matter, you'll just quietly let it happen & not complain at all, right? Well, if you do, I hope I'm there to tell you to 'grow up'.

wow i just saw him speak today at wonder con. i think it will be great. i have been a fan along time. Its funny and sad how people get so upset over these type of movies. i say just enjoy the sci-fi movies and shows. thats my two cents

"While a jaded fan keeps fandom in its proper perspective, Fan Dumb remains on its insistent, neverending quest to talk about how bad something is.

Taking these fans too seriously is usually a mistake. Although they tend to be louder than the rest of the fanbase combined, they are usually a decided minority in almost every fandom(though they often claim to be a majority). If you're a producer, then pandering to them is usually a good way to make your show crash and burn. And to add insult to injury, they usually won't be very grateful that you were thinking about them, but will instead start whining about how you made the show crash and burn. " - tvtropes

Rob,

Why are you so convinced that Abrams has "destroyed" Star Trek, when you haven't even seen the film yet? Why isn't there room for a new interpretation of Roddenberry's vision? Whatever happened to "infinite diversity in infinite combinations"?

Give the guy a break.... every reboot is dodgy territory but the fact he's got the Original Spock in it deserves some credit. Nimoy would not have done this unles he felt it was going in the right direction. The fact he's even in it is good enough for me to go and watch it. Lets face it, when TNG came out everyone had reserve feelings about that too. TNG is now as popular if not more than the classic series! Plus JJ has also done Fringe which too is excellent. So why don't you whinging people shut up until the film gets released, then judge it when you've seen it.

After the let down that was Enterprise, I welcome a reboot of the franchise. After all it's still based on the original idea of Star Trek, which is all that can be said for all movies and shows since TNG. Rick Berman started working on Start Trek in 1987, then took over the franchise in 1991, so is responsible for everything since then until 2006. In those years how many 'fans' were writing the same things about voyager, enterprise and the movies. Yet they were still watching them (granted in dwindling numbers). I for one am willing to accept a reboot in the hope that this great series may be resurrected and provide us with years on enjoyment and many more films.

Actually, I think Nemesis failed horribly due mainly to the absolutely horrible writing. The original story idea was good, but the character dialog was so wrong for the characters we had all known for more than 7 years that I stood up and walked out of the theater. We all knew from the fan magazines that Spiner wanted out as he was getting older, but they had Data doing everything but gargling with broken glass. Picard gets kill crazy, "SAVAGE THEM!!!". Didn't star fleet put counselors on the next gen ships to prevent that?

I was a "hater" of the new movie, but I've actually come around to the idea of waiting and seeing the film. I don't like the "I-Pod" look of the new enterprise, but let's see if the writing is better than past films before we kill it. BTW Spock's serial number is: S179-276SP.

All who love Star Trek, want to see a successful reboot. What has happened in the past, however, was that some people thought they "knew" Star Trek and its fans and - they didn't.
Nemesis was an out-of-character story we'd love to forget. Enterprise was nothing but a farce (except season 2). Piller was the one giving us the Star Trek we loved, because he understood the moral and the philosophy behind it.
TNG is still the most successful of all the Star Trek series. Going back to the roots of TOS might prove difficult.
And I'm just not sure if Abrams can fullfill the promise of Star Trek, a) claiming that it is a reinvention, b) that the fans and the series history do not matter.
What will happen if the fans don't like it? Only very few are going to see it - and the franchise will be dead, once more. And I can see the headlines: "Fans shot down Enterprise"; just like "Fans were over-saturated" when in fact the guys in charge were once that shot it down, by going against the viewer's wishes and expectations.
When we think of Star Trek we have certain expectations, those were not fullfilled in Enterprise or Nemesis and now Abrams tells us that fans do not matter?
Talk about arrogance and sorry, his apologies come a bit too late. The damage is done.

My problem with the movie is the name.

They claim they are trying to appreal to a new breed of trek fans. yet allot of the bigger trek fans have a problem with this....

To me it just seems like he/they have absoutly no interest in star trek and that naming it that does without question gurantee you a certain amount of moeny because well its star trek you know howmany fans there are.

This whole crap about appeling to new fans and making an impact in the asian market is just moronic.

For those who didnt read it yet - remember what the guy playing kirk said

Like Abrams, Pine admitted that he was a relative newbie to the franchise.

"I began watching the original series pretty feverishly, because I knew I only had a limited amount of time to prepare for the role, and after getting halfway through the first and second season, I wasn't doing myself any favors by trying to pick up on the mannerisms of William Shatner and the minutiae of the Star Trek world," Pine said. "I would have created a character that was more impersonation than an original incarnation. J.J.'s prescription for realizing the role—and this goes for all of us—was to create our own and not worry too much about obeying the laws of the original Star Trek world."

This movie should not be called star trek, why not just call it something completly different then it will be an entertaining scifi movie.

Sci fans will go see it
JJ fans will go see it

and they can market the rest however they want i dont care, but i dont think it should be called trek if its not going to be trek.

From what ive read i dont think any actors will do any of there charactors any good and will in no way be convincing (except POSSIBLY Spock & Scotty (Quatro & pegg))

Star Trek has had dimished financial returns, lowered audience numbers, fans giving up on various sub-series, ever less successful movies.
Need I go on?
Just like for that Q Continuum scene in Voyager, I don't want the same of the old because the old has been done to death.
The franchise is bugged down in canon, kill it please, and reboot!
I have a rant of my own: This movie was marketed at first as a reboot, and now they're bending backward to say it,s not really, just like McG's Terminator Salvation being a reboot that will end up, somehow, having Arnold make a cameo. /sight

Those who claim to love "only" the "original source" would do well to remember Star Trek V: The Apology.

I eagerly anticipate J.J.'s effort. The trailers so far give me reason to hope it will be very good.

Let's accept the fact that NOBODY can replace the original actors. This truly new generation of Trek actors are giving a great compliment to the originals: immitation. Nobody can speak with Leonard Nimoy's voice. Nobody can ham it up in front of a camera as William Shattner. We "Old Farts" need to keep in mind these are "actors" rebooting other actors' jobs.

Let the story and J.J.'s contributions stand on their own.

Stay the course J.J.! Don't let the 40 year old virgins living in their mother's basements get you down. Make your movie and if they don't like it they can put on their plastic Vulcan ears and tinfoil hats and write angry emails to the editors of Nacell Monthly.

I'm 50 and have watched Star Trk from the begining and I will watch the new movie with a sort of kid anticipation. Star Trek has has and will always survive the generations because it adapts to the issues we face today. Depending on how you foresee our future the version that Star Trek depicts is not to shabby. So what ever one moron says try not to get so bent out of shape I for one am glad to see the "Next Generation " of Trekkers jion my generation It gives us some common ground and opens up some doors to comunicate with our kids. Beam me up Scotty......Scotty are you there......Nows a good time. LOL

You want continuity with existing Trek? Do yourself a favor and read the prequel comic mini-series Star Trek: Countdown. Star Trek: Countdown is a four-issue comic book prequel to the 2009 film Star Trek by IDW Publishing. It follows the characters of Spock and the Romulan Nero during the late 24th century, detailing the motivations of the latter for timetravelling to the 23rd century. It serves as both a lead up to the film and as a continuation of the Star Trek: The Next Generation franchise. See, this movie is in continuity.

I like Star Trek, but it always puzzles me when I see people who treat a TV show like it's something overwhelmingly important.

It's kind of sad - if you feel that strongly about a TV show, then you have some major holes in your life that your trying to fill with a fictional piece of entertainment.

There's a lot more to life than TV - get passionate about something that matters and watch TV for entertainment.

JJ, thank you. As a life long Trek fan from back when there wasn't a Next Generation, I love what I'm seeing of your movie. This film looks like a love letter to the hardcore Trek fans. It looks like classic Trek and feels like classic Trek. thanks for making this, and I can't wait to see it.

"after all most of us longtime fans of the Original Series are not going to be around THAT much longer..."

What? I have four more decades ahead of me barring any accidents or health surprises. Some of us, LONGtime fan, aren't in need of a walker yet. Sheesh!

Uber-geek

please explain
"This film looks like a love letter to the hardcore Trek fans"

i love star trek but i just don't understand and i do want to like this movie but i just don t see how its going to be any good

To all the nay sayers... let the man make and promote his movie the way he wants. Just be thankful that someone with half a brain went out on a limb to do this. Or would you hardcore "Trek dudes" prefer to have Berman and his crew put out another POS next gen movie? Can't have it both ways guys!

The clarification is nice and maybe a little more encouraging. Hopefully it will be faithful to cannon, but others have said the same thing and it turned out to be drek, so only time will truly tell.

I still stand by my previous remarks that, all this talk of retooling Star Trek by going back to the very begining, suggests the problem lies in the original series; and it's just not true. It's dated, but that's not a problem - that's not what is hurting Star Trek - it's the franchise's inability to move foreward and seek out new fronties in storytelling in the new incarnations.

This is unreal. What are some of you idiots even doing here? I've never seen so many non science-fiction fans posting on a science fiction message board. If you think we're all 40-year old virgins living in our mother's basement, then the fantasy world you live in is way beyond anything you could concieve of for us. My mother has been dead for years. I've owned my own home for far longer & I have grown children. I have a successful life that doesn't include watching nascar or whatever you pathetic geeks do when you aren't inbreeding among yourselves. Take your slap-happy asses off this site & go back to worshiping your two-bit messiah Abrams elsewhere. We Trek fans are so far above you it's like watching ants run from a flood.

BUFFONE!

Star Trek...damn if you do...damn if you don't. I'm suprised anyone had the guts to attempt another motion picture. There's no way to make you guys happy! If it doesn't fit perfectly into what you perceive as Trek...it's no good. Give us all a break...noone's even SEEN the film. I guess we all should hate the animated series because it isn't canon?? NO! I really hope for the best from JJ's film...but let's face it. Even if it's amazing, we'll never get a sequel, because you guys will be tearing it to bits for the next year. I have truly loved Star Trek with every fiber of my being for 35 plus years...but I swear...you guys make it embarrasing to admit so.

It really is sad when even people who claim to be a Star Trek fan just don't get it. No matter how the film turns out it cannot be Star Trek if it erases everything that made Star Trek what it was. Are there so few of us that know the Enterprise was constructed at Utopia Planatia Shipyards of Mars, and not Jim Kirk's backyard in Iowa? That was just the first of many, many things I noticed that only serve to take away from, not add to what has always been the greatest saga of science fictiondom. What is becoming of us if we're so easily swayed by flashy rehashing at the cost of our ideals? Forgive me, but Gene, I am so glad you did not live to see this trashing of your dream.

The script for the movie was good enough to get Leonard Nimoy out of retirement. If it's good enough for Nimoy then it's good enough for any Star Trek fan. Rob, you're the kind of uber-geek who gives fandom a bad name.

LOL! This coming from 'Sarek of Vulcan'! Give me a break, retard. The money was good enough for Nimoy, is why he did it. You give humanity a bad name.

You know, it's funny because I remember the same bile being spewed when Ronald D. Moore "re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica, a show that, like the original Star Trek, was an unmitigated flop with a small but loyal fan base.

Also like BSG, Star Trek would have never again seen the light of day were it not for George Lucas and Star Wars. The popularity of Star Wars prompted Paramount to order a new series which eventually morphed into Star Trek: The Motion Picture. That also was a flop, but it made enough money for Paramount to order a sequel, but guess what, without Gene Roddenberry attached in any way but in name. Harve Bennett was the EP for the next five Star Trek films. And you know who was largely responsible for re-booting Trek? Nicholas Meyer, who rejected a lot of Roddenberrian mumbo-jumbo and produced the three best (and most successful) Star Trek films, Wrath of Khan, Voyage Home (which he helped Nimoy write and produced) and Undiscovered Country.

Yes, GR gave us Star Trek: The Next Generation. But he was only personally involved with the series for the first two seasons, after which he turned the show over to be ran by Rick Berman. Seasons I & II are universally regarded as the weakest of the series' run. It wasn't until new writers and producers came on board--including as someone mentioned earlier Michael Piller, Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga, that TNG hit its stride.

But GR and Michael Piller are now sadly both no longer with us. Rick Berman and his crew proved that the were now creatively bankrupt with the horrible spin-offs Voyager and Enterprise. It was time once again to turn this franchise over to a new generation (no pun intended) to once again breath fresh life into it. I can't think of anyone better than J.J. Abrams, who has proven he can handle action, character, and story in series such as Alias, Lost, and Fringe. The fact that he wasn't a "fanboy" is good, it means he's freed from dogma and able to try new things and fresh approaches, just like (to bring this full circle) Ron Moore was able to do with Battlestar Galactica.

GR didn't set out to start a movement. He set out to make "Wagon Train in space." That was his ambition. The fact that he has created a mythos that has been so enduring, and that has so deeply affected modern popular culture, is a tribute to him. But it is also a tribute to all of the other brilliant people, the cast, the writers, the directors, producers, and crew, of all the incarnations of Trek that have left their own indelible mark on his original vision. So give J.J. a chance. If he fails, then it's another forgotten Trek project. But if he succeeds, then he has resuscitated a great franchise that deserves to live long, and prosper.

Okay, let's all take a deep breath here. What made the original series so great? Was it the acting? Doubtful. Was it the special effects? Doubtful. Was it the plotlines? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.

It was the vision coupled with the characters. It wasn't what they faced as much as the fact they faced it together. Black or white, man or woman, whatever religion or even PLANET... they got along... even teased each other for their differences. But, in the end, they were always together. No one, in the crew, saw Lt. Uhura as a black woman. They just saw her as the communications officer.

As long as Abrams kept that VISION... those CHARACTERS intact... the movie will be a fine tribute to what has preceeded it. Give it a chance.

Let's face it, Star Trek has been dead for years, surviving only through reruns of TNG.

The only chance it has at returning to popularity and the big screen was a reboot movie like this.

Trekkies would do well to remember that even if they hate this version, you should hope it succeeds, because if it fails big time, it will be the end of all Star Trek movies and television for a long long time, possibly forever.

JJ The Wonderboy Director got slamed by the fans and is now sucking up to them. He can only count on new movie goers for 10 to 15% of the movie gross, he needs the die heart fans to keep this Hindenburg of a movie to fly. Some of us will forgive, some of us will ignore him. Our wallets and purses say more then these little statements we make and snipes at each other. We will see who speaks louder come May.

sounds like a lot of back peddling to me

This guy Rob needs to chill out. He's gonna have an anuerism over this topic. Although he is entertaining. I love Star Trek as much as anyone. But it's A TV SHOW!! And now a NEW MOVIE!! If you like it, Great. If not, that's okay too. Who cares if they are changing things. Is it really going to change your lives that much? Come on! Everybody is entitled to an opinion, but trashing Abrams AND each other over a movie is the ridiculous. Okay, Rant over, carry on. I am amused.

Yes, the mentally incompetant are easily amused.

Ok, dude:

Star Trek hasn't aired an original episode in 40 years. The creator and two members of the principal cast are dead. The best-performing of the Next Gen sequels, First Contact, only grossed 90 million dollars (domestically), which was a solid success, but far from a blockbuster.

I hate to keep bringing up the comparison between this and Battlestar, but the similarities are obvious. Star Trek, as a franchise, was dead. No one was interested in continuing it. The only way to make this a viable product again was to start completely over from the beginning.

Give Paramount and J.J. Abrams some credit for trying. Personally, I'm intrigued to see what new actors and writers can do with these characters which are so iconic. And for the record, Abrams is being taken out of context. All he said was that the new movie was designed to appeal to a broader audience than just hardcore Trekkies. The same has been said of every Star Trek movie since The Voyage Home, which owed its great success to appealing to audiences outside of Star Trek's core.

Abrams has said repeatedly that his new movie is as true to canon as possible. But since the franchise (particularly the original series) has such a contradictory backstory (i.e. in TOS Spock says Earth avoided a nuclear war, but the Next Gen Pilot, Encounter at Farpoint, takes place partly in "The Post-Atomic Horror"), it would be impossible, and I would argue irresponsible, to try to adhere strictly to everything that has come before.

All I can say is, think yourslef lucky Uwe Boll isn't directing this film. Then you would have something to moan about.

Okay, okay... I'm sorry I'm such a tool. Abrams really is a cool guy. I just have... issues.

Okay. After reading all of the posts here, I have a few points to make.

1. Some are right. Star Trek is just a 40 year old TV show. But what these folks fail to realize is that it carried some pretty important messages related to very hot topics like one of the first interracial kisses on TV between Kirk and Uhura. The episode "Let this be your last battlefield" also dealt with racism, but in a much more direct way. The multi-national and Multi-planetary crew shoed us that people can work together despite their differences. There were comments on the Vietnam war and it's pure stupidity (I have nothing but the highest respect for Vets having been in the army myself, but I have absolutely no respect for those morons in Washington who sent thousands of American soldiers to their deaths in a pointless and purely politically motivated war). They dealt with the rising rate of automation which was beginning to have an impact in the real world in the episode "The Ultimate Computer". And lets not forget the almost prophetic technologies which they displayed and inspired in the real world. Star Trek was much more than a simple TV show... It was a social commentary on very touchy issues, which were presented in a very entertaining and highly informative way. I was born in the early 60s and I pretty much grew up with STTOS, and I will tell you, it inspired me quite a bit.

2. While it is noce to get freshness into any TV show, it is also very important to NOT destroy the feeling and spirit of the original show (Like they did with Battlestar Galactica and a whole plethora of recent movies and TV shows). A show is popular for a reason. It is a very complex combination of story, acting skill, and decent effects. Most of the more modern remakes are horrible. They happened because some moronic producer or riter was too lazy or stupid to come up with something which could stand on it's own, so they just grab a big name like BG or Star Trek and the "Re-Imagine" it. Basically they just steal the name, and stick it on the easiest schlock they can come up with (See War of the Worlds, Lost in Space, Battlestar Galactica, Day the Earth Stood Still, Knight Rider etc....) Writers and producers who do this should be kicked out of Hollywood or ridden out on a rail.

3. Everybody should just stop the bickering and get along. This is worse than when they came out with Star Trek TNG. Everyone hated it before it came out, but after a few episodes, people started to like it and it became almost as popular as the original series. Let's just hope this one isn't just a rip off of the original.

Gilveron has the best summary so far on the HISTORY of Star Trek. There is too much on both sides of the Star Trek debate.

Personally, I disagree with those who believe that Star Trek can be re-imagined. Yet, I will let this movie come out before forming an opinion. IT deserves to stand on its own legs. However, if JJ Abrams believes he can do it without the Star Trek fans, he is sadly mistaken. I was originally against the BSG re-imagining and we all know how that came out -- possibly one of the best TV series of all time.

I think, the miscommunication arise between the hardcore fans and those who have a wait and see attitude, in understanding how a piece of fiction or literature works. And believe me, taken as a whole, Star Trek is an Epic. You couldn't really go back and re-write the Odyssey or the Iliad by Homer now, could you? How about Re-writing a classic movie like Citizen Kane or It's a Wonderful Life. Taken as a whole Star Trek is the same. That's where "Enterprise" went wrong.

And that's where the danger with this new movie is. If JJ abrams can not see this, if the people on the other side of the debate can not see this, then we are arguing needlessly. There is no need for epithets. You just need to recognize this fear. The movie can still come out. But if it doesn't pass this test, then we run a risk...

Rob said, "Are there so few of us that know the Enterprise was constructed at Utopia Planatia Shipyards of Mars, and not Jim Kirk's backyard in Iowa?"

First of all, this sort of nitpicking is hugely unimportant. But if you're going to go there, at least get your details right. The Enterprise-D was built at Utopia Planitia, but Utopia Planitia was never even mentioned in the original series or the films. Nothing in the series even mentioned where the Enterprise was built, unless you count the dedication plaque, which said "San Francisco, Calif." Was that where it was built, or where it was commissioned? Who knows?

But the larger point is that continuity details like this are really unimportant, especially when you consider how often the original series contradicted itself. (Remember UESPA? What about the tombstone for "James R. Kirk"?) What's more important is whether the spirit of the original series is maintained. Until we get a chance to see the film for ourselves, we won't know whether that's been done or not. Until then, I'm willing to give Abrams the benefit of the doubt.

Hey dickwad. Yes, you. Think you're clever by using my name & trying to make people think I'm calling myself a tool? Come out of your closet, you little cocksucker. I'll fuck your world up.

Come on everyone, I think Rob needs a group hug.

I'm sure all you Abrams-worshipping little faggots would love that.

Don't feed the troll (Rob)

be happy new trek comes out.... my glass is half full :)

Rob,

The Original U.S.S Enterprise was not built at the Utopia Plantia Shipyards on Mars. You're thinking of the Enterprise D and the Defiant from DS9.

According to The Making of Star Trek by Gene Roddenberry and Stephen E. Whitfield, the components of the Enterprise were built at the San Francisco Naval Yards and the vessel itself was constructed in space. Even the Dedication Plaque reads, San Francisco, CA.

Now the fact that Abrams appears to building it in Iowa is just Creative License. And how do we know the PARTS didn't come from the SFO Fleet Yards?

I AM a diehard Trekker. Else how would I know this stuff? But that doesn't mean that it can't be shaken up a bit. The Universe(s) is a big enough place for all things to be possible. Have we forgotten the TNG Episode #163 - Parallels?

It's time to sit down, take a deep breath, and watch the movie.

I just wanted make an addendum to my most recent post. DS9 Estabished that the Defiant was built at Utopia Planita however, the Dedidcation Plaque Reads - Antares Ship Yards. The USS Sao Paulo's Reads - Utopia Panitia... The Sao Paulo was Renamed USS Defiant after the destruction of the Oringinal Defiant during the Dominion War.

And before you make some awkward homophobic comment about me... I came out of the closet in 1980 when I as 15. And I am one of those c***s***ers that you like to accuse others of being.

Now chill it.

There are people on many websites who are trying to build support for JJ Abrams who are bashing the loyal fans of Star Trek, claiming that our nit-picking is irrelevant. Some of you are implying that Star Trek doesn't need to stick to Canon, or remain faithful to the original crew.

Let me ask you an honest question. How many of you, assuming you like Star Wars, would have lost your minds if Star Wars was rebooted with the same characters? Wasn't Star Wars successful because George Lucas limited the amount of movies he made? Wasn't Star Wars important enough to keep the canon straight? Knowing you'll agree with me about Star Wars, why then would you disagree with us about Star Trek?

Star Trek lasted far longer than Star Wars, and it's 40 year franchise was a direct result of loyalty from us fans. Our history in supporting Star Trek proves us to be right. Not all of us enjoyed the Next Generation, but at the same time, even us older guys who grew up watching the original series, still considered TNG to be part of Trek canon and history. In fact, I think what makes Star Trek so successful compared to Star Wars is how we loyal fans try to keep all the different spin offs together, within a single universe, even if we didn't like the shows. I for one hated Voyager, and DS9. I was just getting into the Enterprise episodes because I loved how they tied a few of the episodes with the original series.

Now here comes JJ Abrams who made some pretty curb-kicking comments to the loyal Trek fans, and some of you are acting as though we're abnormal for reacting in return. But I ask again. How many of you would NOT react negatively if Star Wars were being rebooted?

At the same time (before some of you go off on me), I'm uneasy about the reboot, but I will give it a chance. I still hate the new design, and I hate how the characters are being portrayed. But I'll hold the rest of my judgments until after the movie. I love its promising action, and the awesome special effects Trek is finally getting. But I wish Paramount would have given the former Trek producers the same budget. I'll even go so far as to say that although I hate the new design, some of the recent views we're seeing of the new Enterprise looks promising. Only for now, I'm holding my judgments until I see the movie.

Rebooting Trek might be necessary, but there's nothing wrong with us loyal fans being cautious. If this movie is as disappointing as I think it's going to be, then I'll stack my Original Series discs on top of my DVD player and watch them over and over, with my Star Trek movies, and I'll write JJ Abrams off as the largest prick in the history of Trek. Until then, we'll just have to see.

To my fellow loyal fans. I feel ya bro's, but hang in there. Bashing JJ Abrams without seeing the movie does us no good. If the movie does well, after all of our bashing, that makes us look bad. Let's find the truth together and see if he's merely trying to prostitute the wonderful franchise and fail in their attempt to appeal to the masses. Me personally, I don't think they'll be successful because those who simply love movies have never demonstrated any type of loyalty to any film. Those are fans how simply enjoy the moment, and look forward to a new high....I say forget about them because they could care less about us. Let us keep our cool, and see where this goes.

But to JJ Abrams, I accept your apology if you actually mean it. But you're going to make more enemies than you have now if you screw our beloved franchise up!

Joe

There are people on many websites who are trying to build support for JJ Abrams who are bashing the loyal fans of Star Trek, claiming that our nit-picking is irrelevant. Some of you are implying that Star Trek doesn't need to stick to Canon, or remain faithful to the original crew.

Let me ask you an honest question. How many of you, assuming you like Star Wars, would have lost your minds if Star Wars was rebooted with the same characters? Wasn't Star Wars successful because George Lucas limited the amount of movies he made? Wasn't Star Wars important enough to keep the canon straight? Knowing you'll agree with me about Star Wars, why then would you disagree with us about Star Trek?

Star Trek lasted far longer than Star Wars, and it's 40 year franchise was a direct result of loyalty from us fans. Our history in supporting Star Trek proves us to be right. Not all of us enjoyed the Next Generation, but at the same time, even us older guys who grew up watching the original series, still considered TNG to be part of Trek canon and history. In fact, I think what makes Star Trek so successful compared to Star Wars is how we loyal fans try to keep all the different spin offs together, within a single universe, even if we didn't like the shows. I for one hated Voyager, and DS9. I was just getting into the Enterprise episodes because I loved how they tied a few of the episodes with the original series.

Now here comes JJ Abrams who made some pretty curb-kicking comments to the loyal Trek fans, and some of you are acting as though we're abnormal for reacting in return. But I ask again. How many of you would NOT react negatively if Star Wars were being rebooted?

At the same time (before some of you go off on me), I'm uneasy about the reboot, but I will give it a chance. I still hate the new design, and I hate how the characters are being portrayed. But I'll hold the rest of my judgments until after the movie. I love its promising action, and the awesome special effects Trek is finally getting. But I wish Paramount would have given the former Trek producers the same budget. I'll even go so far as to say that although I hate the new design, some of the recent views we're seeing of the new Enterprise looks promising. Only for now, I'm holding my judgments until I see the movie.

Rebooting Trek might be necessary, but there's nothing wrong with us loyal fans being cautious. If this movie is as disappointing as I think it's going to be, then I'll stack my Original Series discs on top of my DVD player and watch them over and over, with my Star Trek movies, and I'll write JJ Abrams off as the largest prick in the history of Trek. Until then, we'll just have to see.

To my fellow loyal fans. I feel ya bro's, but hang in there. Bashing JJ Abrams without seeing the movie does us no good. If the movie does well, after all of our bashing, that makes us look bad. Let's find the truth together and see if he's merely trying to prostitute the wonderful franchise and fail in their attempt to appeal to the masses. Me personally, I don't think they'll be successful because those who simply love movies have never demonstrated any type of loyalty to any film. Those are fans how simply enjoy the moment, and look forward to a new high....I say forget about them because they could care less about us. Let us keep our cool, and see where this goes.

But to JJ Abrams, I accept your apology if you actually mean it. But you're going to make more enemies than you have now if you screw our beloved franchise up!

Joe

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I love it! I'm so sorry JJ Abram...dude, can you ever forgive me?

After seeing the new photo's of the USS Enterprise on display, the side view is so awesome! I just love it!

Joe

Are trek fans so afraid of change? I remember the same arguments when “The Next Generation” started screening. I’m sure the argument started again with other variations of the ”trek series” as well. Every generation has there own “trek”, everyone has his or her favourites and choose not to mock them for it.

For all you old school trek fans, god bless you, but we need new blood and new ideas. Star trek went off the air for a good reason. It was stale, old and after watching countless reruns I think I need something new. I’m not sure JJ was the best choice, I hate “Lost“, but he cant be the worst choice. Star Trek 5 and 10 proved that.

I want something new. I need something new. You can argue till your blue in the face that T.O.S was the best trek or T.N.G, D.S.9 or whatever. I need new “Trek”. I want to go to the movies and feel like a kid again and not know every line, or how the movie ends. I need that little bit of excitement that made me want more.

oh and cloverfield rocked.