Terminator's still a solid, fun series that's not quite as depressing as the excellent Battlestar. Hope it ties in well with the movie.

That's good news. I really hope this means these great shows will be given another season next year.

dollhouse is boring and terminator is just like the films..always running away. they didnt make a good series

Well, duh, what does the key demographic do on a Friday night? NOT stay at home and watch TSSC and Dollhouse, I can tell you that. Instead, they will just DVR the whole thing and watch it later.
It's high time the rating system got modernized...Ultimately, that's in the best interest of everybody, including the advertisers.

Terminator is awful. It's just horrendously dull. You'd think a series based on the Terminator films would actually be interesting and exciting, but hardly anything ever happens. Each episode is meaningless in and of itself and to the overarching storyline.

I enjoyed the first season, but the second has been so painful to watch. I honestly want to know what the producers are thinking. Sarah obsesses about three dots (c'mon, seriously? -- why not something much more intriguing, like traffic lights?) and meets a man disguised as a woman played by an actress who barely looks like a man. Sarah gets operated on and has visions of Kyle (played by a 14-year-old actor with facial hair glued to his face). Sarah, experiencing no side-effects of having been shot in the leg the week before, and the fam play therapists at an outdoor wake (why would the woman and the girl open up to Sarah and John, respectively -- two of the most unsettling and creepy people you'll ever meet?). Sarah goes to a sleep clinic... or does she? Who seriously cares about any of her so-called chronicles? Cameron, Derek, Weaver, and John Henry are the only characters (and actors) of interest on the show and they're hardly on!

And for the love of God, stop casting the world's most annoying actresses -- Riley; Jesse; the spoiled rich girl who likes to pretend she's a homeless runaway; the man/woman alien conspiracy nut; the grieving widow who never stops tearing up and sniffling in every single shot; yet another tough teenage girl who immediately connects with John; the overweight British smoking roommate who should never, ever be shot in close-up yet was a handful of horrific times; the abused sheriff's wife/surgeon; the same actress but in a brunette wig playing the sleep clinic nurse who dressed just like a doctor so why not just call her a doctor; the humongously pregnant neighbor whom I can't believe someone actually knocked up; Weaver's sad little weird, forever-drawing daughter with a fondness for peeing on the floor... the list goes on and on.

Time to put this show out of its misery, or get interesting REAL quick.

With the comments about how this show is boring, blah, blah, blah, just goes to show that if it doesnt have Ahnold or 'splosions! in it it isnt Terminator. These will be the same people that say that the new Terminator movie sucks because it doesnt have Arnold back as a main character.

Personally I thought the name of the show was Terminator: The SARAH CONNER Chronicles....not the Cameron, Derek, Weaver or John Henry Chronicles so of course its going to focus on Sarah Conner more.

I like the whole idea of them exploring the issue of having night terrors and not being able to sleep soundly and what effects that would have on the human mind. As far as the the nurse that operated on Sarah the one week and the doctor in the sleep clininc was NOT the same person, yes it is very easy to nit pick every episode. Hell its easy to do that with any show. Like I said the only reason that this show is panned by people is because it doesnt show Arnold or have some intense action scene through every second of every show. IMO people would turn this show off eventually too.

"I know, right?!"

Ugh. God forbid a show actually has a meaningful story without a Terminator staring blankly at a wall and then blowing something or someone up.

You haters are all the same. Never satisfied; well guess what TSCC is a great show with a story line that is developing with the actors. You can't judge a show with a transforming time-line because this is the first of its kind.

Unfortunately, the networks can't really use DVR viewers to sell commercial time, since the DVR folks generally skip commercials. However, they can use the DVR numbers to help sell product placement. So I don't imagine DVR viewers count quite as much as live viewers in the final number crunching, but they surely count for something.

This last episode was pretty cool and beautifully acted by the "dead man Sarah shot". I'm enjoying this series and hope it survives. What I love about is that the writers try to find an interesting way of telling what could be a very boring straight-ahead story. It needs work and the characters need more subtlety, especially the black ex-cop and Sarah, but it's far better than the films.

I watched the first Terminator with my mother who couldn't remember the film and we laughed at how cheesy the characters came across. If the series would just let go of too many references to the movies, it could realize it's far superior potential. Cameron is an incredible character and the guy playing John Connor in this show is so much more interesting than the movie version. Oh, and the whole liquid metal terminator red-head is really interesting, too; she's not just a killer, but wants to be human.

This is Fox's best show and my favorite after BSG; Lost has been extremely dull since Season 4, jerking us around with boring plotting and weak characterization. This show deserves to live.

Have they started counting views on Hulu.com? or other online sources? That's how I've been watching nearly everything...if I haven't DVR'd it.

Yeah, what he said.
I am enjoying this series more than Heroes.
I hope it continues on.

Terminator needs to do a story that requires Sarah and Cameron to be in bikinis at a resort. If Alias could do it, this show should be able to.

I guess when people hear about a Terminator series they expect to see the movie every week and have a new Terminator every episode. That would have gotten old by the second time they did that and the show would be canceled long ago. Instead they actually took the time to develop the characters and their relationships, create in-depth stories and its own internal mythology. And yes, every now and again we get some action and it is always much better than most other series. I really like this show, due in no small part to the wonderful acting and writing. It is unlike anything else on TV right now. and that's a good thing. May it be allowed to continue and get better and better.

I've yet to see an episode of TSCC that are deal breakers for my viewership.

The stories this season aren't as explosive as the pilot, but there is enough groundwork being laid down to make the series worth every moment.

I'm eagerly waiting for the rest of the season and am keeping my fingers crossed for another.

As for Dollhouse...

There is a lot of play on the last moment of each episode and I only wish there was a little more emphasis on how the process turns "Actives" into completely different people.

The pilot made this more evident and I hope the hints they toss in at the end become more than little teasers as to what will be.

The next show looks interesting enough so I'm still watching.

It has been a mystery why DVR ratings have not been included. Let's get with the 21st century. I never watch ANYTHING live. DVR is the only way to go. Some people have a life.

Why don't networks put advertiser logos in the corner like they do thier own logo. This could change every 5 mins and would advertise to DVR viewers as well as live viewers. This would bring in more revenue and make downloads financialy viable as well.

Dollhouse is a good show it's still finding its feet but i think will be a really good show. It's different to previous whedon shows as it doesn't have the same humour but I think it will be a great drama series.

I agree with the comments about TSCC it isn't inspiring at the moment it needs more action. It was good while they where being hunted but now this thing with sarahs dream is just lame.

This is why a ratings-based success system for television shows just doesn't work anymore. Most people just DVR a show, hop online and watch it later, or even just wait until the DVDs come out. I hate to see perfectly good shows get tanked because of a faulty and inaccurate system!

"Dollhouse" is pretty intriguing so far. Other than "Firefly/Serenity" this is the only Joss Weadon thing I've enjoyed.

"Terminator" is a little disappointing, but it's still Terminator, and I'm a faithful viewer....even if it does get a little boring at times. I just haven't been able to get over the fact that there's a TV series based on one of the best sci-fi films in history! So the fact that it's Terminator is enough for me to keep watching. Although I like the effort to bring more drama into to mythos, it is certainly a dissapointment that TSCC does't stay truer to the original formula/archytype of the Terminator franchise: action and suspense! I'm sure James would agree.

As for the ratings-- remember when TV used to be FREE? Television was BUILT on sponsership, which soley relied on ratings. The fact that it hasn't evolved away from this, even after we pay over a $100 per month for cable in many cases, is LUDICRIS! When "free" was the only option this was understandable, but now they MAKE us pay for quality television and STILL shove commercials down our throats! DVR's and the internet will soon change all that.....you'll see. Good riddens to big-business domineering!

I agree with AngryJonny in every possible way with the Terminator series. And to all you people putting down his opinion about the show we have the right not to like the direction the show is going like you guys have the right to like it.

But honestly if this second season is really that facinating to all you people perhaps you guy ought to watch the movie House of the Dead directed by Uwe Boll. Because if this dull season of Terminator thrills you that much then surely HOTD will most definetly engage you in the best hour and a half time spent of your life. Neither of those 2 shows are related in any way, but they both have 1 thing in common.... Neither show has any goal to the direction to where it's going

Each episode of the second season has absolutely no plot and the episodes aren't connecting to one another very well. And most importanly they aren't driving to a solid goal that is going to meet with T3 when it's over.

I would like a third season of the show, but only as long as new writers are hired. If the third season seems as dull as this one I'll stop watching after the first episode.

Honestly though it seems as if the writers are actually taking advantage of the show by throwing any possible idea they can think of into this season. Instead they need to think of a particular goal that can combine all episode's connection. The first season was perfect. But the second season is boring.

It is actually being said in some circles that T3 should be over looked and for the most part it is. Sure it was explained away in the first in that Sarah was transported to the future in time to save her from dying from cancer (as she was not in the third movie and the explanation that was given is that she died from cancer), so what show are watching, that you are able to say that it doesnt match up to T3's storyline? It was touched upon and they moved on. As I stated before (as many posters here that watch the show and like it have said) if it doesnt have Ahnold (or some other Terminator of the week) or 'splosions! its a boring show. That may be true to those that love love love non stop action movies and have a short attention span (there I said it) and arent able to follow along with falling asleep.

There seems to be some confusion here. The Sarah Conner Chronicles take place in an ALTERNATE timeline. It has nothing to do with T3. The producers have already stated this, and if you pay attention to T3 John Conner states right in the beginning that he has had NO confrontations with a terminator since the events of T2, and that for all he knew he had saved the future. Which brings me to my next point: If they were supposed to have saved the future then why did Judgment Day still occur? This is absolutely fundamental to why the Terminator series is philosophically profound (among other reasons), and is something that MANY people miss. If you recall one of the major plot devices in each of the films there's what we call a TIME PARADOX. The events in each film seem to rely on the fact that someone or something came back in time to change the course of history. For example, in the first film John Conner sends Kyle Reese back in time, and Kyle ends up becoming John's father. So John wouldn't exist if it weren't for Kyle, yet Kyle couldn't have been John's father if it weren't for John. Which came first....the chicken or the egg? It's a paradox, the great mind-bender of the Terminator series.

Here's why there really is no paradox: time is not linear, it is not fixed as just ONE timeline. This is why there are alternate timelines, or parallel universes. This is what makes time-travel possible (at least in the movies). So it is only an APPARENT paradox, or what I like to call an "apparendox" (I like to make up words, okay?). So as soon as Kyle traveled back in time there was an instantaneous break in the original timeline and a new, parallel timeline branched off-- where he then became the father of the "new" John Conner. This of course implies that John Conner originally had a different father in the first timeline. It also implies that originally there was a completely DIFFERENT cause to the creation of Skynet (rather than the "new" cause based on the remnants of the first terminator, as shown in T2). This is why T3 works, because the cause of Judgement Day was not necessarily dependent upon these events. And this is why you hear John Conner say, "this is not the future my mother told me about" in the new film....because cause and effect are not as linear as you might think.

Anyway, this is also why TSCC is conceptually VERY cool--- because it represents one of these alternate universes (and there are INFINITE alternate universes) that aren't necessarily connected to the events in the films' timeline. One thing that's great about the Terminator franchise is that it does not attempt to blatantly explain the apparent paradox, it only gives clues....and the creation of TSCC is one of those clues. It isn't easy to figure out (it took me a while to justify the logic) but great science fiction is supposed to make you think.....so think about it!

jpl1976 I don't think you know what your talking about.... There have been many references to Sarah having cancer in this series, but nothing has picked it up yet because she hasn't gotten it yet. And one thing to clearify is that whether or not you want to accept it T3 is part of the Terminator saga whereas the series is based off of. Sarah was never transported to the future for the cancer.... What the heck have you been watching surely wasn't this series. And again I'm not expecting arnold in this show (sounds of sort of a cocky type remark) I'm expecting this show to follow the same goal as the movies.... You know that same plot about Sarah raising John to be the leader of the Resistance and fighting off Skynet... or did you forget that part while concentrating too much on this irrelevant second season...

AliensvsLordoftheTrekWars I think you missed the part where this series takes place after T2 but BEFORE T3.... And you are looking too deep in this time paradoxing stuff like most people do.

Situation goes where the future hasn't happened yet, but cannot change because it's already been written. John states that at the end of T3 when he realizes that Judgement day is inevitable, because if it wasn't everything in the past would change.

If Sarah and was successful in taking out Skynet at the end of T2 John would not exist. Skynet cannot be stopped no matter what happens. There is only 1 John Connor there are no multiple Johns. There is only 1 Kyle no multiple Kyles, and John only has 1 father not multiple fathers.

Ok here we go: Everything that is happening right now at this very moment is still going to happen no matter what, even if someone from the future comes back into time to change things. Why.... cause the future is already set lets say you were going to become the next president of the United States, but in the future you did something that someone didn't like so they decided to travel back into time to terminate you before you became President. The fact of the matter is no matter how hard this person tried they cannot eliminate you from the past. Because if they did the future changes therefore that person had no reason to go back into time therefore you survived therefore your changed future still exists. Things in the present would change to accomodate your survival cause your changed future is inevitable. Which is why in reality time travel isn't possible and never will be. Because it would indeed create a time loop that would destroy time

Same way with Terminator. The future in Terminator is an already set period no matter how hard Sarah and John tried they cannot eliminate Skynet, but they don't know this is reason they try. If they did stop skynet the future would change Kyle and John would never met cause John wouldn't exist.

See people put way too much thought into something so simple. The best way to think of it is that the future is happening right now but, but still is in the future like the past and the future are coexisting with one another except just in different times, you know what I mean.... That's why I said before I can see why people get confused seeing T4 as a prequel, but in reality it's actually a sequel. See this time traveling idea really complicates stuff when people overthink it, best thing to do is to take it as it is not try to outthink it. Overthinking it always leads to changes which then reverts back to where you started. The series as well still takes place in 1 timeline so far nothing has changed. That introduction of Kyle Reese started making you think everything was whacked, but it explained in a simple answer... he was just an halluccination.

WHEW!!!!!!!
Well, I love T:TSCC, and really hope Fox takes this into consideration! I demand a 3rd season!! It is my fav after Battlestar. I enjoy Sarah Connor way more than Lost and 24! And yeah, I watch it Sunday evening after I watch everything else I've DVR'ed.

T:TSCC...awesome show!!!!!!!!!

squirrel, u make a good argument for ur point. but u do realize....u just overthought it yourself. im not trying to invalidate u. im saying u just told someone not to do something u just did

squirrel, you've got a very interesting point, and I did think about it (which I guess I'm not supposed to do, right? Well, science fiction is a thinking [hu]man's genre, so to say that you're NOT supposed to "overthink" it is a bit contradictive, but that's okay. I'm a natural-born thinker....I can't help it.) Anyway, there are different schools of thought on the whole time travel thing. My theory is based on the age old "grandfather paradox", which states that if you go back in time and kill you're grandfather then you wouldn't have existed in order to go back in time to kill your grandfather. But this paradox is based on the assumption that time is linear (ONE universe). But another theory suggests that there are multiple, if not infinite, universes.....so in order for this scenario to work successfully time would simply branch off into a parallel universe where you didn't exist anyway, a universe where you didn't travel back in time. Watch "Back to the Future".....the Doc explains this using a chalk board so it might be easier to understand (that is if you're not afraid to give it any thought).

Besides, like I said in interviews the producers have already stated that TSCC takes place in an alternate timeline (which is the same as a parallel universe). Also, remember that John Conner says in T3 that there haven't been ANY more confrontations since T2, so there isn't ANY way that TSCC could falls into the same timeline as the films, pure and simple.

Now in response to your theory about time being solid-state (past and future existing at once).....it certainly makes you think, and it is a real theory. But of course time-travel relies on the assumption that the past and future are separate....hence the "traveling". And since the future is built upon the past, it would be paradoxical to try and build the past upon future events without creating a different timeline.

Anyway, you are right about thinking too hard about it in some respect.....even I have a hard time understanding my own theories, which only makes me frustrated. Oh well.

budgethero I know I try to avoid putting too much though into this time traveling idea cause all it does is create more questions than answers. And the more thought I put into the idea of John having a different father than Reese cause of skynet stopping just get even more crazy... Best solution take Arnold's statement as hard evidence Judgement Day is inevitable and I leave it at that cause it makes sense if I do.

AliensvsLordoftheTrekWars I always to avoid thinking of the time traveling paradoxes stuff. But when people state stuff like all it does is get me thinking. And then they throw out ideas that I think are totally absurd. I don't try to place my opinion over theirs, but I do call upon them as to how they could even reach such odd ideas.

And to me multiple fathers, alternate timelines, different universes are like a cop out trying to avoid looking too much into real idea. Like they are trying to create their own reasons for their explanation, instead of going by the evidence provided.

Reese is John's only father. With that statement that forces future events to be unchangeable. John can never have a different father because parents are unique otherwise who's to say there aren't multiple you's out there.

If someone were to come from the future and warn you of a war that is approaching, do you try to prevent the war or prepare for it....

I look at the series as 1 timeline 1 universe no parallel dimensions. I do believe that things in the past can change to allow for the future to remain the same. For example that movie The Time Machine.... The main character (forgot his name) built a time machine to go back and save his fiance. He was successful in saving her, but only to lose her in a different situation. To me this movie is correct with the idea of how time travel works. When the guy went into the future looking for an explanation why he couldn't save her he was told that it is because she doesn't exist in time beyond her expiration date.

And I do understand your Back to the Future thought, I find that completely unreasonable cause if the future was so easily changed just by 1 person's luck then the future would be unbalanced. To me BTTF is more of a movie that pokes fun and enjoyment at the time traveling idea which is what it's purpose was.

Now back on track you say that John said in T3 he never encountered any Terminators since T2. I don't remember him ever saying that, but I don't really believe when they created T3 they had a thought of a series in mind. And besides if one hasn't noticed yet the series may be based off the movies, but it doesn't obey the same rules. Which to me deters it even farther from the movies.

I like the facts to remain the same. But since they aren't I don't take the series too seriously. I am going to say that the series is still taking place in only 1 timeline, but just like the movies the creator of Skynet is going to change to a new person if the current one is defeated. It's like an endless loop you can never shut down Skynet. It's kind of funny actually, instead of Sarah wasting time trying to defeat it she should just grab John and go into hiding and train him.

Terminator series is awesome. The whole John Henry angle of the storyline(with weaver, savanna, ellison etc) is pure nerd nirvana. I'm looking forward to more scenes with them than then oconnors.

As for dollhouse... meh, I'm trying but just can't bite.

thank goodness for fox renewing dollhouse for season two, for once they didnt cancel a top show after a few eps.