I just don't get why there's any controversy over nudity. I guess it comes down to how much more money the studio can make if teens can get into the movie, right?

I long for the '70s and '80s when there was no issue over nudity in PG and PG-13 movies. Waterworld, Titanic, Swamp Thing, Kramer vs. Kramer, Clash of the Titans, Logan's Run all feature nudity.

In fact, Heston's bare butt is in Planet of the Apes and it's rated G. Gasp! That must have been when the United States began its decline into moral bankruptcy!

The problem with nudity in a movie is that it removes many viewers from immersion into the story because suddenly ooh yeah there's a naked woman. The character becomes reduced to her nakedness and is objectified. For brief moments (or longer) the viewer no longer cares about the story only about his own sexual desires. I can't tell you the number of times I've been in a theater and heard some junior high mental case make some comment about the nudity that has just flashed onscreen.

Nudity, schmudity. Best not comment on the public scare of sexuality.

I guess Terminoator fans worry more about how intact the level of violence is. it is easy for Batman to hit PG, since nobody really dies close range and the people who do are the centerpiece of a cruel joke.

But Terminator always had some rotten close up kills and quite some icky "flesh over metal" self-repair abuse.

Die Hard 4 was also supposedly fine being PG, but I have to say I did not work out at all for that movie. It even feels like choppy cutting at times.

I wonder if the film would really score a Pizza Hut merchandising tie in if it were an R. Whatever you think of the rating system, and I ain't a fan, I don't think most fast food franchises are going to emboss R rated films on their biggie cups and happy meals.

It could well be a numbers game, and the studio opted for greater merchandising opportunities: fast food tie ins, wide release toys, etc.

I dunno, has any R rated movie wound up with a major franchise merchandise tie in? Don't think so.

AngryJonny is 100% correct on that one, but he left out one all-time cult classic ... Beastmaster which has topless Tanya Roberts in it as well. All this crap about "objectifying' is just that ... crap! But again Hollywood is probably never going to give up on its "more money from PG-13 films" stance.

Regardless of the topless screen or the rating I'm looking forward to this one. Christan Bale doesn't up and take mindless scripts so there's a twist in store for this that I'm looking forward to.

Setting nudity aside, violence with visible consequences (blood and gore) is an automatic R rating. So, if this gets a PG-13 rating, we can assume we will see a watered down Terminator universe. The gritty realism of Kyle Reese having to act as a battlefield medic on himself and Sarah or the T-800 cutting into its own flesh or dozens of cops being slaughtered are images that stick with us. If you want bloodless cartoonish violence with robots, just wait for Transformers 2.

4 Alien movies....all rated R. 2 Predator movies....both rated R. aliens vs. predator.....pg-13 and it sucked. 'nuff said.

revrogers: "For brief moments (or longer) the viewer no longer cares about the story only about his own sexual desires."

You just described the sole reason I watch movies. :)

Facepalm: "Die Hard 4 was also supposedly fine being PG, but I have to say I did not work out at all for that movie. It even feels like choppy cutting at times."

I agree. The unrated DVD was so much better. How could they make a Die Hard movie and cut the swear out of "yippee-kai-ay, mother******!"?

no_more_garbage: "Beastmaster which has topless Tanya Roberts in it as well."

Speaking of Tanya Roberts: SHEENA! Extended nudity that would certainly garner an R rating nowadays!

To stavenborn:
Nuff said? I hate when people compare a film series to a different series. Don't even try comparing Alien/Predator to Terminator. Terminator is much better.

To AngryJonny:
Don't be a film critic. Seriously. "...the sole reason I watch movies". Come on. Act your age unless you are like 13 or something. Movies are much more enjoyable when people like you are not around.

The only problem with the rating is like any movie out there. The studios think if they slap a PG-13 rating onto any movie parents will let their kids go see it therefore extra revenue made off that single film.

I could care less whether it's rated R or PG-13 just as long as they do not tone down any violence and keep all the graphic images intact.

It's a war you're gonna have both human and machine parts laying around. There is no such thing as a clean-up crew that runs in the open battlefield with bullets flying everywhere just to grab a few body parts and mop up some spilled blood real fast so noone would see it. Both the studios and the parents need to realize that.

This is a war movie it be kind of goofy to have it at a lower rating that the other 3 movies which didn't have much violence to begin with. But I hear that this nudity scene is what is going to determine whether or not it's R rated, which makes me think shouldn't violence be the deciding factor.... if not did they keep all the violence in the movie or cut it out. But who decides whether kids can see a movie or not just by it's rating, just go see the movie yourself first then decide whether or not you think it's safe for them.

A movie's rating used to never be such a big deal, but since all these new people are taking over everything every small thing is being looked at too heavily. Evolution is a disease we aren't becoming smarter we are becoming dumber.

ThinkBeforeYouTalk: Wow, it must be a JOY for your Hot Topic coworkers to be around you all shift.

"I hate when people compare a film series to a different series."

Right, because comparing things has never proven enlightening in any way for anyone ever.

Hey, is it okay to compare, say, two trilogies set in the same galaxy far, far away, but with several decades separating them? Or is that also a violation of your "thou shalt not make comparisons" eleventh commandment?

Were you born without any semblance of a sense of humor or was it beaten out of you as a toddler?

You people are hilarious.

nudity, nudity, nudity.

even those that scream "it ain't about nudity," are are keeping it about it.

no one really cares anymore

i wanna see Bale put his rifle in the empty eye socket of a terminator, and fire on full auto.

i wanna see an 888 pick someone up by his neck and legs and fold him backwards.

i wanna see the t1000's slicing people at odd angle, them sliding apart, with arteries gushing PROPER amounts of blood.

i wanna see a fully fleshed terminator have to rip his own malfunctioning arm off

THAT is the kind of stuff that will make a terminator movie.

dirty, gritty and mean, like they were intended

not a set of boobs

Cyril Plast: "not a set of boobs"

Ahem... Linda Hamilton... Terminator I... nudity... very memorable...

(It was a JOKE, TalkBeforeYouThink, a joke!)

(Actually, it wasn't. Linda's breasts in the first Terminator movie was a defining moment of the '80s. C'mon, you know it's true.)

(Again, a joke! I can see the headlines now: Shooting at Wichita Mall Hot Topic as Employee-of-the-Month Goes on Rampage -- "He kept yelling, "Act your age! Act your age!'")

(Actually, it really wasn't a joke. Defining moment.)

To AngryJonny:

I don't even know how to respond to your comments. Anything I say will just leave you rebuttling something even stupider.

By the way, I don't work at Hot Topic. I suspect you do by the way you talk.

Also, eleventh commandment? Ok? Let's bring religion into a terminator discussion?

Also, I have a great sense of humor but we are talking about a war movie and discussing it with someone who thinks they are hilarious but is annoying to be quite honest.

Yeah :) that means the whole family can watch it together on Thanksgiving :) So glad :)

No one is going to not not watch the movie because it has a PG 13 rating - the story line and carefully planned execution of it as well as the action is the draw for movie goers - Blockbuster hits are blockbuster hits without nudity :) but in the case of with: families are grossed out watching them together...making them not so blockbusterish.

Linda's defining moment? Isn't it more shameful than it is a defining moment of one's career or life or a movie? It did not add any value to the story line..and where is she now, and who cares- she is a star who was glad she showed her nude parts to teen boys and girls. yuck!

I know I'm a little late in the conversation, but I just wanted to say for the record that I'm extremely excited about the movie being PG-13 because it means I actually get to see it! I don't watch rated-R movies, never have never will. It's a family rule I grew up with and have no desire to abandon. with all due respect to those who want a realistic war film, I don't want that stuff in my head. Not to say PG-13 movies are all roses and rainbows, but, as you've been saying, they're a lot lighter on the nudity and gore. And I consider that a good thing.

AngryJonny = win rationalistic

Family rule? That's honestly very stupid. You're following something for the sake of following it - in other words, you're decision to uphold this 'tradition' of your family's is baseless. You're fooling yourself. The world ain't all rainbows and butterflies. By toning down violence, people arguably make things worse. It's easier to desensitize people to things if you make it look fake. (Ah... Saving Private Ryan... that was good. It did a damn good job of showing us the true horrors of war.) As for nudity, there's nothing inherantly evil about human sexuality. That's conservative religious bull. I bought into that stuff before. I honestly believed that it was 'bad'. Then I realized that belief was baseless and stupid. By stigmatizing human sexuality, you'll only end up creating a generation of sexually repressed, unstable, ignorant people who can't come to terms with the fact that we are born with genitalia.

I can already see it; soccer moms loading up the mini-van to go see that cool movie about "robots versus humans", 7 year olds drinking out of a Terminator skull cup at burger king. This ruins it for me, pg-13 is very limited in terms of what it can show. We can't expect and gritty gruesome gore scenes that we would expect from the pinnacle of the Terminator franchise depicting robots in their attempt to EXTERMINATE the human race, instead we'll see a guy get shot and cover it with his hand. This is just a watered down version.