Won't work.

its very cool to see Venom do a independent spin-off all by himself for the 1st time, instead of Spider-Man showing up on every Spider-Man movie. i think seeing Venom is very exciting and fun to see and comfortable learning where he came from and how he landed on earth, who made him or what made him, is the question and can't wait to see Venom killing people.

So how are they going to make the spinoff? Didn't they kill off both Venom and Eddie Brock at the end of Spider-Man 3? Or are they going to pretend that pathetic attempt at a Venom story just didn't happen?

The best Venom mythos that lends itself to a movie is the one in the "Ultimate Spiderman" videogame.....namely, Venom is the corruption of a military super-serum. So,eone wanted to replicate the spider-man's powers and 'Poof', you got the venom. It's plausible and you don't need ol' red n blue to make a cameo

it'd be great if they brought Topher Grace back for this one, cuz it would give him a chance to sink his teeth into the Eddie Brock role properly.

Grace already had his chance. He blew it. Badly.

Let's have the bulked up Eddie Brock, please.

Nonsense. Topher Grace was brilliant as Venom (any faults with the charactisation lies purely with the writing, still, I think he did well with the material he had). They should definetly bring him back. As for Venom/Eddie Brock being dead... well, in the world of comic books dead rarely means dead. Hopefully the writers will come up with a creative way to bring him back and continue his story from Spider-man 3 instead of rebooting it.

Do they do any market research to make these decisions, or do they just find the nearest toilet and start shoveling money into it? Venom was the worst part of Spider-man 3 and he's not exactly a character that wider audiences respond to, like they do with Spider-man.

Topher Grace was the worst possible choice for Eddie Brock. There was absolutely no difference between his portrayal of Brock and that dumb-@$$ Eric Forman. He spent no time familiarizing himself with either the character of Brock's shattered psyche nor the duality of Venom. His piss-poor lazy attempt at portraying one of the most dangerous and devious spider-villains, was only made better when he stopped talking and had a full face mask on. Then I could just forget that I was witnessing the worst casting job since some body had the "brilliant" idea to paint the governator blue and toss him into a glowing neon suit....

Oh yeah, I went there.

it could work, but really should stick with the original origin and leave the"ultimate" version to to the toilet from which it came...

thomas haden church should have been the one to play venom in 3.... and him being the only vilian would have made 3 great.... my opion of course...

How could a movie possibly stick to Venom's original origin? Secret Wars? Spiderman on an alien planet? There's no way.

Besides, Venom just doesn't translate well to screen. He's like Ghost Rider or Punisher - a character that's easy to make cool in a printed comic, but just seems absurd when moved to live action. I just don't see a Venom movie being any good.

They should make this a reboot and completely ignore spidey 3 and start new. Get a musular scary venom, good story, and good special effects and you got a movie. By the way Topher Grace sucked ass in the role.

eddie brock is emo and the venom suit has since left him. the current venom is now on Matt gargon the man who was once scorpion. Although brock isnt dead in the comic he should be dead in this movie and just skip the guy who was venom after him and just go right for Matt. he likes to eat people!

"How will they do it? Didn't they kill Venom and Eddie Brock?"

Ha ha ha! Oh WOW. If I could name all the comic-book heroes and villains and civilians who have been killed only to turn up absolutely fine a short time later...in fact, at DC it's harder to name a major character who HASN'T been cacked than one who has.

Doesn't have to be the original host (isn't now, not in the comics); doesn't have to be the same space blob (although you'd be hard-pressed to explain the "look" otherwise).

Me, I'm looking for a Thunderbolts franchise. Even if they use (ugh) THAT Bullseye...

I'm afraid that although the writer's sincere intention is to give the Venom character the respect he deserves, this attempt will end up the same way the Punisher movies and Daredevil did; as cheap DVD's lying at the bottom of the $5 bin at Wal-Mart.

And I have to agree with the above; Topher Grace was a complete 180 casting decision which, unlike the Heath Ledger/Joker result, completely bombed.

topher grace was VENOMOUSLY- bad

Can we say continuity, will it work even though Raimi obliterated Eddie Brock in Spider-Man 3 with a Goblin Gernade? You could get away with saying some of the entity survived but Eddie is DEAD. No Eddie ..NO VENOM..prt of what made venom VENOM is the Eddie Brock persona. ..'Nuff said.

The problem with spinning Venom off is who would he fight? His primary nemesis is Spidey. Venom as a villain alone in a movie? Where's the good vs evil struggle necessary in a comic book movie?

I can see them f*ing this up big time and having him be good all of a sudden.

But as to bringing him back, that's a piece of cake. We know Dr. Connor's has some of the symbiote in his lab. Someone conducts some experiment, gets the cells to start replicating, and bingo, enough new black goop to make another Venom.

Now bringing back Brock would be a bit of a stretch. The guy was vaporized after all. I would definitely prefer they go with the body-building muscle-bound hulk guy if they go a different route. Part of the interesting battles between Spidey and Venom was the pure brawn against the agility.

But, spinning off the character after a single film seems like a recipe for disaster regardless.

Despite his reputation preceding him, I think Vin Diesel would make an excellent Venom. But how are they going to make a venom movie without Spider-Man? Can he fight Carnage or something? Maybe it will chronicle his struggle to find work as newspapers die out.

only will work with carnage and thats is...IMHO

Venom had a glorified cameo in spiderman 3, totally pissed me off. The only way this would work is if Venom was taking on Carnage, or if the two teamed up and their "offspring" Toxin tried to stop them both, which i think would be an awesome story.

Venom was NOT the worst part of Spider-Man 3. While it was hard to pick a specific worst part of Spider-Man 3, because so much of it was so bad, the worst part BY FAR was the dance number. It was not cool, not funny, and did nothing for the story. Just a Raimi attempt to be silly. I tried to overlook at lot in SM3, but the whole dance number jumped the shark.

The worst part of Spider-man 3 was Spider-man 3.

I belive i can confidently say that Venom in the Venom movie will be Eddie Brock. Why can I say that? Well i was just watching SM3 and Topher Grace announces himself as Edward Brock JR!

bolt,
I have to respectfully disagree with your opinion of Ultimate Spider-man Venom.

Spider-man is the only part of the Ultimate universe i read(I've had to read the others lately to catch up on Ultimatum) and their take on Venom is wonderful. Obviously you quit on Ultimate Spider-man early, as it has easily become the best written comic marvel has going right now. Earth-616(main marvel universe) is too congested with far too many years of comics and events like M-Day and Spideys deal with Mephesto are cheap attempts at trying to reset the franchise. (I did enjoy Civil-War though, but i have a feeling Ultimadum is going to be better)

Ultimate Universe on the other hand is smart, hip, and it works. In my opinion Ultimate-Spiderman>all other spiderman. It took me about 20 issues to come to this conclusion but there it is. Sam Jackson as Nick Fury is more in line with Ultimate's Nick Fury.

Seriously, this is a total joke. What the hell arethey thinking...and now that has happened, what will happen to him in SM cartoons (the spectacular one, and maybe even some other ones that might come in the future)? Its bad enough that they cant even show any Marvel characters in it because they did a damn movie for them, though IM was great, and TIH

how can you even say topher grace was anywhere near plausible?
the new venom needs some balls not some fairy wings....

avi arad is the one who forced a venom backstory on sm-3. raimi said from the get-go he wasn't happy with venom and thought the character was ridiculous.

so the blame can't be totally on raimi. boot arad from all marvel productions, and maybe we'll have good movies again.

Bad idea. BAD idea. Venom LOOKS like Spider-Man and has his powers... why? Because he was attached to Spider-Man for so long. Which means that whether Venom is a hero or villain in this pile of crap, they need to have Spider-Man in the movie, which they can't because Spider-Man cannot now become a minor character. At least, they'd better not because a Spider-Man film with Venom as the lead would suck bigtime.

Guys, do your research on the origins of Venom! He was the football jock that tormented Peter Parker. Not some pansy camera toting smug prick.

Isn't Venom literally insane and evil? I don't recall anything regarding even an anti-hero development unless he teamed up with spider-man to take on carnage... So.. this will be my "WTF" moment of the day.

Dude, this story idea is the best thing that has happened in the SM movies. Venom was totally screwed up in SM3, and this is the redemption needed to bring him back to life. Topher Grace can kick rocks as Eddie Brock. They need someone that has the bulky looks and attitude of the original Eddie Brock from the comics.
The Venom from the Ultimate Universe is pretty cool, but the real heart of Venom's story lies in the main Marvel Universe. The movie can have Venom go after the Sin Eater (for those who have read the comic mini-series), or even have a Carnage cameo to set him up for the upcoming SM films. Details such as Eddie Brock's origin should also be in the film. Those can be read in the comic mini-series Venom: Dark Origin.
The Thunderbolts Venom story is a little too early to present, but should also be considered because Venom was killed in SM3. However, Mac Gargan as Venom would suck. Venom's original twisted sense of justice should be highlighted in this film, along with his obsession over Spiderman. Only Eddie Brock had this attitude. Venom's features, such as the bulky muscles, sharp teeth, long tongue, drool, and catch phrases like "We're gonna eat your brain!" are a MUST for this film!!!! The previous Venom sucked because of the lack of this!!!!
All in all, Venom rocks, and please, please, please, DON'T SCREW THIS UP!!!!
All hail Venom.
And for those who liked Topher Grace as Venom...kick rocks along with him!!!!

Venom, sucks.

Venom is the best thing about spiderman
brock lesner = eddie brock

I'll just throw in my two cents about SpiderMan 3 - Topher Grace playing Venom was a horrible decision. I'm not a Topher Grace hater, I think he's alright, but there is no way he could "act" like a tall, muscular Eddie Brock, and whoever thought he could doesn't know much about acting.

Brock Lesner? I don't know much about his acting abilities (besides being in the WWE), but I would agree that his build is definitely on the right track.

And I'll throw this one out there as my pick for the perfect Venom - Howie Long. He's tall, built, and can act pretty well. And to me he looks exactly like Eddie Brock. 10 years ago when rumors were that Schwarzenegger was going to be in the first SpiderMan movie (and most likely as Venom), I thought that that was a crock and immediately thought of Howie Long instead.

well they need to get deep into the whole venom vs carnage deal. that was one of the biggest things. venom isn't truly bad...but not ultimately good. if you read the comics he is good to an extent. he saves people but doesn't care if he kills the bad guy. and sometimes doesn't care at all. so hes more neutral.

why is everybody pick on topher grace i 4 one thought he was an amazing venom , but i do think he could of used more screen time

They need a new reboot, and definatly a new actor for eddie brock. Go darker like they did with the movie Spawn..... get todd mcfarlain back in on it.... W O W!!!

They need a new reboot, and definatly a new actor for eddie brock. Go darker like they did with the movie Spawn..... get todd mcfarlain back in on it.... W O W!!!

They need a new reboot, and definatly a new actor for eddie brock. Go darker like they did with the movie Spawn..... get todd mcfarlain back in on it.... W O W!!!

Venom is badass. Tropher as venom... not so badas.. How can you have a skinny not-so funny eddie brock? doesnt make sense, tropher was a worst choice for venom. A venom spin-off would be awsome, im a huuuuge fan of venom. clothes, cloths, accessories show that i love venom. It wouldnt make much sense if spiderman was in the movie, but its still cool. Im not complaining, he really wasnt a killer killer guy.. just maybe slightly killer. making him an anti hero like Spawn would be cool. Im excited to see venom in his own movie. It would do good in picture, many would love it and for everyone to learn of venom and its passed would be great. I thik its a great idea.

First off, Spiderman 3 $ucked, and not just because of the ruining of Venom. If you say otherwise, you're wrong.

I'm a huge Venom fan, but I'm going to have to agree with the comment above that this movie will most likely end up next to The Punisher, or Dare-Devil (hopefully not next to Punisher: War Zone...).

Someone else said that the concept of Venom doesn't translate well to a video format, I'm not sure I agree with that fully. I think the idea of Venom as a "solid form" as in Spidey 3 is a failure at seeing Venom as the amazing character he is. The symbiote is FLUID. Even in the 'old' comics where Venom walks around a near replica of the black Spiderman costume, the symbiote is often tossed around, or stretched, or twisted, or gooped. More recently, Venom (and any other symbiote-human combo) has become more and more fluid while joined. The latest comics about Venom which I know of (The Dark Avengers) has (the new) Venom loosing control of his morphogenetic properties nearly entirely. I see no reason why a more fluid - and less reptilian, or whatever you would call the Venom of Spidey 3 - Venom couldn't be portrayed properly on camera. Though I imagine there would be a lot of CG.. starting with every shot Venom is in.

Several comments suggest that Eddie Brock and the symbiote are dead. Are you people serious? Where's the body? There is absolutely no reason to start over the Spiderman series (except that Spidey 3 $ucked horribly), they just need to start correctly now. Pull an "Incredible Hulk" and show the last movie as it should have been, then proceed from there - at least thats my suggestion.

Yet another comment suggested that a stand-alone Venom movie should be entirely dealing with his problems with Carnage and Toxin. For that, all I have to say is.. Venom is nothing without Spiderman (and Toxin is a stupid character). Personally, I hate Spiderman... he's so girly and pansy, I've never understood why people like him. BUT, Venom is the ultimate Spiderman killer, he is the stupid Spider's ultimate villain - and without Spiderman, Venom suddenly does not have a purpose. In fact he changes completely, and becomes a hero -> Eddie Brock's true aspirations; and here-in lies the problem: A character of uncontrollable strength and rage makes a poor hero.

Why not bring the Eddie - Venom back, horribly deformed and disfigured at first, slowly regenerating over the first portion of the movie, introduce Carnage, then play out the storyline from the Spiderman cartoon. You know, the one where Carnage collects souls to release some super powered evil from another dimension? Where Venom falls in love with a correctional psychotherapist, giving him a reason to fight other than Spider-hatred. Then a true Venom spin-off movie could be made as a sequel to that.

Those are my two cents, enjoy.

In reaction to the last comment made................I TOTALLY AGREE!!! That plot from the spiderman cartoon is a really cool idea. With that Carnage has a slot opened for him in the movie.
By the way, for those who think Topher Grace was a good Venom and liked Spiderman 3...
go f**k yourselves!!!

Actually, people don't get the ending of SM3. Venom/Brock are not dead. The bomb would have left Brock's body, along with that little piece of they symbiote. Those bombs were not *super strong.* So rebooting is not necessary. I believe that is why they left the ending as they did. You also wonder why there was Sandman? Well you needed some villian in it from the start for Spiderman to be going after.

Since there are rumors about Carnage being in SM4, it is possible to do a tie in between Venom and SM4. Simple, you start with villian Venom, and mid movie or a bit later he starts to swing towards vigilante Venom, and lastly, he at the end creates Carnage by accident. Then all three appear in SM4 with Venom going fully to the ORIGINAL Venom we all know and love.

Sam rami should be ashamed of himself for sm3.WORST movie ever!!!!! Venom don't need a villan in his new movie or if there is one it should not be carnage. It should be a take on the symbiot spawn any body who read lethl protector knows what is up.Long live venom!P.S. TOPER GRACE SUCKED A** he should have stayed with 70s show

They could bring Venom back as a clone they could use Kingpin (because he rich and has scienties) to use venoms dna from the blast site to clone him and try to use him as a bio weapon but would backfire on the kingpin and they would become enemey's and some how kingpin would spawn The main villain CARNAGE! just a fun idea and would make a great sci-fi twist

Why not bring venom back to life as a clone(they could use his dna from the blast site) and they could use the kingpin to resurect him as a bio weapon witch would backfire on him and he could spawn Carnage to get revenge on venom.......just an idea

when in the Venom suit he regenerated his wounds in the movie when the green goblin cut him with his blades they should have it that his body regenrates after being blown up they could show there was still parts of his suit hidden and do like dramatic regeneration and show that hes back.

i think a venom movie would be totally sick dude they should make it kind of dark like blade or the dark knight but have venom win

Well I am all for a venom movie, Comic book based movies have only recently started getting into the main stream media. I mean I can throw out a bunch of 80s comic movies (punisher with dolph, capt. america and of course superman) but for all that the marvel universe hasn't really hit the big screen but for the past 8 years or so. Bearing that in mind the directors of these movies didn't really know how to film them and the writers obviously didn't know how to write them.
Well here it is, stick to what the fans want
if your going to make a movie based on characters with a huge fan following WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU CHANGE THE STORY THEY ALREADY LOVE?!?!?
But good news is, I think they are really starting to get that idea... finally.
Look topher grace was vaporized in Spidey 3, thank GOD he was. He isn't comming back no amount of bad fan fiction can help him, yeah comic book characters are brought back all the time, movie stars that bomb a role, not so much. If your a Topher fan, fantastic, he's a funny actor and he is good at playing those type of silly parts, But have him try to play a semi-psychotic alien symbiote split-personality vicious as all hell Venom...no...sorry, if you liked him in spiderman 3 then for F**K sakes stay off critic web sites and stick to watching "in the name of the king" and "wall-e" since they seem more suited to your intellictual needs.
Now since we all agree that SM3 sucked I will allow for only one suggested tie in. Eddie Brock hates spiderman and blames him for his life's depression, then let it be like that, topher was brock jr. Brock Jr. IS GONE, VAPORIZED! enter brock sr. the real eddie brock.
A venom character needs a few things, Huge and ripped the actor should be big but not a monster but when the suit comes into play make it A MONSTER huge, fluid and scary. The venom person is like I said split personality semi-psychotic with a weird sense of justice. I wouldn't mind seeing a film with a villian as the main character but hey as long as these guys stick with what the fans love people are going to see it. Anyway you look at it, can't really be as shoddy as the wolverine movie right? hope not. That only leaves one thing, what DO the fans want? well whatever story you write, they don't want topher, they want a real venom character, and venom's original origins, he came from outer space in a secrete wars issue and eddie brock was older then peter parker, never went to school with him and hated parker for the loss of his job. I dig the ultimate spider man storyline, the secret wars in space thing was a response to the "space race" of the 80s idk about the whole VERY cliche govt special weapon thing but I am sure someone can come up with something. Thats my .15 cents anyway.

I think a Venom spin-off movie would really rock! Whoever hates SM3, perhaps you would rather be watching Backyardigans or Bratz, The Movie. I thought Grace was awesome as Venom and would like to see him return in the spin-off. Why is everyone dumping on him and SM3? Venom and Carnage fighting, with or without Spidey, would be most excellent. For all you people who tell fans of SM3 or Grace to go f*ck themselves, get a grip, get a life, and get your nose out of your comic books!

They had a little bit of the idea in Spiderman 3 with venom wanting to ruin Peter's life but they made eddie goofy through out the whole entire movie. they also ruined how much venom is a big character in Spidermans life. they also made Peter act like a homo sexually i think they should have a good story line and good actors.

Topher Grace Was A Terrible Venom.
There I Said It.
It Needed To Be Said.
Great Raimi You Made A Mirror Image Work.
Bring Me A Beefy Venom That Was The Great Thing About Venom.
And The Greatest Thing About Spider-Man.
It Showed You That An Underdog Can Win.

How can anyone support Grace? Has a single one of them seen what Eddie Brock looks like? Blond hair was the ONLY thing the two had in common.

Scrap the previous entities, reboot the series. New cast, new crew just like the HULK series did. Make the new movie based on MAXIMUM CARNAGE. Spidey and Venom have to team up against Carnage. That would rule.

i like to see topher grace on spiderman 4 and venom movie it's awsome i like topher grace as venom so i will see topher grace as venom on venom movie and spiderman 4 in theatres coming soon see ya.

I prefer the old Todd McFarlane Takes on Eddie Brock. Jacked up dark and tough. I think a bulky Mickey Rourke is a shoe in.

The only thing that makes sense here is if they made venom and carnage fight... Like one of those alien vs predator movies, because they would ruin venom if they tried to make a good guy out of him.

Im very excited to see a venom movie after that pitiful version portrayed in spider-man3 no offense to topher grace he is a great actor but he just doesnt give off the venom vibe...he reminds me more of carnage in spider-man3 so if fans want him back mabey he could try that.. the movie itself will be good if the writers put as much time in it as they say they want to...i guess we will see how good of writers they are after we all see zombie land

Just because it looks good in a CB, doesn't mean it will work well in a CBM. Changes have to be made and the core material was there. Venom was evil, stronger than spiderman, alien, wanted revenge, all of that good stuff.

the only thing i have to say is he BETTER be HUGE!
hes needs to be super muscular, unrealistically big!
thats the Venom i think most of us know and love!

I think that having a venom movie would be awsome, the venom in spider man 3 was disapointing really. but if the producer and directors and the whole crew just stick with the original comic story line and make it 10 times better, then i would think it should be good. also the fact that the way they made venom in the last movie was ok but seriosly need to try something diffrent, like not having those spider webs on his suit like spidey but have it plain black and white suit, its just a simple awsome suit. and they really got to work on venom head, the last movie was a disapointment. they seriously got to get the huge tongue out in this movie for venom, that what make venom, venom.

For those that say that Venom could not be a hero you are very wrong. Venom, if put in a hero form, would be a dark hero similar to that of Ghost Rider or Blade. Yes he is psychotic and that could be what makes him a dark hero. Brock is constantly fighting with the symbiotic alien. Thus carnage could be brought out with the split of Brock and the entity that is Carnage.