WTF?!?

I agree, WTF!
Man sometime I wish I was a director, I would do it the right way. This is getting out of hand!

OK, this is getting old.
You can only stretch me belief so far, as long as you're consistent. The Sarah Connor Chronicles is very close to the breaking point. One of the premises of the cannon in the Terminator Universe is that the Time Machine's been destroyed, and the power to transmit something was so enormous that there WOULD NOT be anyone or thing else sent back, because there just wasn't enough juice left on Earth for another transmission.

Or to put it more simply as the previous poster summed it up: WTF?

What do you expect, it's "Mc G" for God sake!

yeah salvation looks freaking awesome so be fore bashing his latest sequel talks...ill wait to see how salvation is before attacking mcg

Folks, relax. It's a time travel story. Things can get dicey and paradoxical. As long as the movies are fun, what's the big deal - and if there's a little moral message here and there, fine . . .

What would NOT have been fine is if the rumors of replacing a KIA John Connor with a Terminator replicant had panned out to be true. While somewhat interesting and rife with its own story and philosphical implications, it nonetheless would have served to undercut the main theme of all the films - that of humanity surviving the wrath of its own creation against the grimmest of odds . . .

Let's recap. In 2029, the war with the machines was won by the humans, and in their last hope, the machines sent a terminator to back in time to 1984 to kill Connor's mother; and thus prevent the human resistance from taking place. That was great story, and made sense.

Then in T2, the machines tried again, even though, the time unit was blown up after Reese went back to help. T2 then supposedly prevented the Holocaust, after Connor blew up Cyberdyne.

In T3, they said no, only postponed the Holocaust, and the rise of the machines; and Skynet was a decentralized AI computer, or something. Now 16 years after the Holocaust, we get T4, which I assume has Connor stepping up to lead the resistance, and some more plot twists.

Then maybe T5 and T6, which better end in 2029, that is the 2029 of 1984 with Arnold and Biehn going through the TDU to 1984. Complete the story, cleanly.

Terminator Canon??? You guys take this way too seriously.

Give the movie a shot. If canon includes T2 and T3, then canon can go to hell. By placing it in an alternate future to the one of the first 3 films, they've pulled an Abrams. Thus the movie deserves to be evaluated on its own terms. TSCC used the method to vary the canon story.

I agree with Spacejockey, in that time travel folds tend to get convoluted but this part of the fun of following them. Any change in the original timeline produces deviations. I like that the Sarah Connor Chronicles has taken a divergent path from the T3 movie (which should have been sans Arnold, by the way) while opening up the idea of rebel tenminators. Until the ACTUAL year 2029 passes us by they can pretty much get away with any teminator story they want to think up.

Even though the original Michael Biehn(Kyle Reese) first movie had the time machine destroyed any timeline alteration can mean that the machine wasn't destroyed or an engineer capable of building another has been hidden somewhere in the timeline.

I agree with Spacejockey, in that time travel folds tend to get convoluted but this part of the fun of following them. Any change in the original timeline produces deviations. I like that the Sarah Connor Chronicles has taken a divergent path from the T3 movie (which should have been sans Arnold, by the way) while opening up the idea of rebel tenminators. Until the ACTUAL year 2029 passes us by they can pretty much get away with any teminator story they want to think up.

first why would he tell us anything about the movie until after it came out? second meamscifi if you think you can do better then this guy shut up and do it! i have been reading these posting and their all winy! it a moive.

...Is it April 1st again already? Seriously McG, if you actually go through with this concept then I will not only lose complete faith in the Terminator mythos but also faith in you as a director. While I'm not going to outright say that this idea is horrible, it's most certainly a step in the wrong direction.

Actually in the first terminator it was 2027, in T2 2029, and it didnt mention it in T3 but in the T3 gmes it was 2032. I only hope that somehow they ignore T3 or write off an alternte beginning. It can happen....however there is something I think is being overdone, the whole lets travel back in time deal.
In one of the T3 gmes there was a subplot where the terminator actually traveled farther into the future, Skynet's perfect future. If theres going to be any more time traveling again, why not go into the future.
Hell, let the ending be on a cliffhanger like this, Connor ccidentally is even further in the future this time as the lone human in a skynet world. Theres the cliffhanger, should they make more the second one is connor surviving and fighting his way through this world and even finding allies since machines have nothing left to fight except themselves.
At the end of the second he time travels back, not to the point when he dissappeared but a little afterwards. The resistance is being slaughtered, some of them look at his return as the second coming while others feel betrayed and see him as the enemy or even as a terminator. But in that third movie he has the knowledge or weapon or whatever technology that can defeat skynet.
But hey, im just happy with this terminator, I can collect this movie nd have this, T1 and T2, and not have to buy T3.

Wow, that sounds pretty awesome.

To talk about canon, etc. seems a bit ridiculous. Any movie involving time travel becomes convoluted. Just take T1 itself. John Connor sends Reese back to stop the Terminator and when he goes back he becomes Connor's dad. So, if Connor hadn't sent Reese, does that mean that he wouldn't have been born? Let the writers have their shot. No one will make you go see the movie.

OK.. First 2 movies make sense in this timeline order. arnold terminator is sent back as the defenses are smashed on the building holding the time machine. the prototype t1000 is sent back just before the building is invaded by the humans. John discovers the time machine and remembers his past. he then sends Kyle ack first and then reprograms a t800 (arnold version) and sends it back to protect himself.

This was the original opening for the T2 movie that was never filmed. Scripted by James Cameron but never shot.

True dat, pheonix74 - they had the whole thing planned out in an extended future war sequence - Connor's troops infiltrating SkyNET, smashing its defense grid, then using the time chamber to send Reese back in time to stop the first T-800. I've seen the whole deal, including sketches and storyboards in the original screenplay trade they published back then. It would have been amazing - but it also added about $100 million to the cost of the film! So it got cut before any of it was filmed. Perhaps we will still get to see it yet . . . .

You all are missing the point: bringing John Connor back to 2011 allows for some sweet Terminator/Charlie's Angels crossover action. Maybe out of pity, there'll be a big L.A. freeway chase with a cameo by the guys from Fastlane.

James T. Kirk's 1st Rule of Time Travel: Don't.