

Even though writer/producer partners Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman are neck-deep in the promotional campaign for Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen—which they co-wrote with Ehren Kruger—the duo admit that they're also already contemplating the future of another franchise: namely, Star Trek.
"The debate is do you do a story where you go through some familiar things from the series, but now their outcome can be a little bit different, or do you just make it totally new?" Orci said in an exclusive interview Friday in Beverly Hills, Calif.
"That's what we're kind of debating right now," Orci added. "We're kind of going through everything we know and love and making sure we don't leave any unexplored gems. And then also simultaneously trying to think of new things completely. So we'll see. The best idea wins, original or old."
Kurtzman admits that they aren't very far into the process thus far but feel emboldened by the success of the first Star Trek (or 11th, depending on how you count it) as they return to the drawing board for the next installment.
"We just had our first 10-minute conversation the other day," Kurtzman says. "We don't have anything yet. I wish we had more to tell you. I think we're really, really pleased to find that, for the most part, the die-hard fans felt that they connected to the material the way they wanted to. So I think that enabled us to take a similar approach, which is to say you have to find a way to give everyone a little bit of something, because people will meet you in the middle."
Kurtzman suggests that their approach won't be radically different from the one they took on the previous film, not least because they expect an enormous amount of scrutiny from fans new and old.
"I think because the track base is broader and more rabid than I think any franchise in the history of time, we were pretty worried that we were going to get skewered, even though we felt like we were making choices that we felt were honoring the canon," Kurtzman says. "We really spend so much time thinking about both the fans and what Trek meant to us and what it means to stay true to canon."
The pair will begin serious work on Star Trek after they finish Cowboys and Aliens. "As soon as we're done with Cowboys, we're going right into Star Trek, and we're doing a lot of producing simultaneously with all of that stuff," Kurtzman said.
By ulic at 7:35 AM ON 06/23/09
TV SERIES!!!
By Manos at 8:04 AM ON 06/23/09
Has any of TOS cast members gone on record about the new movie?
By User45701 at 8:21 AM ON 06/23/09
I really hope they dont get to do a 2nd jj trek - one was bad enough.
i really didnt enjoy it. and i annoys me that so many reviews and discussion on scifi sites go on and on about the success of the movie but they dont actually say what was good about it...
By wmccl34 at 8:26 AM ON 06/23/09
They will not go for the TV series because the movie pulled in so much money. What they should do is a three part ark to undo the distruction of vulcan by reparing the altered time line. They know that Billions of Vulcans are gone, significant contributers to the federation. They know its not the way it was surposed to be so they should fix it.
By Yougoboy27 at 8:31 AM ON 06/23/09
I would love to see a new Khan vs Jim. Enterprise encounters SS Botany Bay. Russell Crow as Khan?
By RangerPrimeX at 8:35 AM ON 06/23/09
Several TOS cast were at the Hollywood premiere and gave it praise. They should do a new show in this new timeline era but with a different ship and crew. They could introduce the ship and crew in the next movie. As for "fixing" the timeline, please don't. This is a great reset that allows all the stories we know to be retold in new and different ways. If the do a new show with a different ship and crew, they could even do or re-do original TOS plotlines but with this different ship although they should not do a re-telling every week though but pepper it among new adventures.
By Muldfeld at 8:56 AM ON 06/23/09
Too much in sci fi writing journalism focuses on setting, rather than drama. These shamlessly, cynically commercial writers with adopt the same tact they did in the first film of formulaic action-movie stereotypes, cheap nostalgia, a lack of dramatic/psychological realism, childish plot points, and terrible dialogue.
By pgk267 at 8:58 AM ON 06/23/09
How many of these "what will they do" stories do we have to read. How about you tell us something new or wait until new information becomes available, then report it?
By greenhornet482 at 9:06 AM ON 06/23/09
Please Hollywood, No more time travel stories! ok I admit it, I'm a purest when it comes to Trek. I dont like messing with history because invariably another director will do Trek again (in 15 yrs or so) and they will never get the history straight. Leave it the way Roddenberry made it. After all if it was not for Rodenberry, we would not be talking about Trek
By Fudgins at 9:13 AM ON 06/23/09
RangerPrimeX - I love that idea, spinning off a new crew through the next movie. I think that would be a great way to break-in a new series.
However, I also agree with wmccl34... I think a plot to restore the timeline would make some sense. If they went back in time to nab some whales and save earth, why wouldn't go back and save Vulcan? Thinking outside the box why wouldn't they go forward and save Romulus and make nice with Nero before he flips the lid? lol
By marvi1 at 9:38 AM ON 06/23/09
I'd like to see them do an original story next, then something familiar in the third. If I remember correctly, the cast is contracted for 2 sequels (pretty standard nowadays). After that, they could spin it off into a new series, probably with a whole new cast again, since the current cast will probably all have more movie offers.
By PJAvenger at 10:05 AM ON 06/23/09
It isn't Trek until Kirk talks a computer into self destructing!
By Kikstad at 10:34 AM ON 06/23/09
I would love to see a meaty cameo by William Shatner in the next film, but hopefully they can do it without another time travel story. Maybe a Mirror Universe story? Or Shatner can play another character (Harry Mudd???)
By Shaun at 10:34 AM ON 06/23/09
"I'd like to see them do an original story next, then something familiar in the third."
my feelings exactly!
By Zotan at 10:48 AM ON 06/23/09
I admit I'm a Trek fan - but I really don't get why some Trekkies hated the new movie. I've met several people who refuse to see it out of principle - which is just weird. Whether the die hards want to admit it or not - this movie was a major success, running it's way up the (non-inflation adjusted) all-time chart and nearly breaking into the top 50. Seriously - Trek has used Time travel as a story device so many times I've lost count. The big upset? - they didn't hit reset? - I'd rather see new (and in my opinion awesome Trek movies) than see no new material. Yes it was extreme - and yes, the early changes in the formative years of these characters did change their outlook somewhat - but this was a reboot afterall. This is arguably the best thing that's happened to Trek since the TNG TV series.
By SciFiFan at 10:51 AM ON 06/23/09
Well they don't really need to fix the time line as this is an alternate realty, which they said in the movie and even eh writers etc have said. So if the prime universe is ok, their universe is "ok" (vulcan), then how/why would they need to fix it?
I know people like to whine that the old trek is dead, not really. For one that have that mmo coming out. Paramount can technically milk 2 franchises for one..
By scoob958 at 10:55 AM ON 06/23/09
Kikstad, how about the aging disease. They could have Kirk, Sulu, Uhura, Chekov, even Spock contract it this time and they could use all the original actors for at least a little while. They obviously would have to keep Scott and McCoy from getting it or use other older actors.
By StrikeFreedomMeister at 11:00 AM ON 06/23/09
I am a long time Star Trek fan and I absolutely loved the film. How many times did Gene Roddenberry use time travel, alternate timelines in the original series and film? This was part of the Great Bird of the Galaxy's way of thinking. I think he'd be okay with an alternate timeline that doesn't destroy anything in his timeline, but gives the new writers a place to do things differently.
What I don't get is these hard core fans trying to be traditionalists. Star Trek was never about tradition or conformity. It was about rebellion, upsetting the status quo, challenging the traditional, and expanding the mind's infinite possibilities. Because I know Roddenberry through his writings and his works, I know Gene would be alright with this. These were plot devices he used time and time again.
Nothing of Roddenberry's timeline has been altered. This new "Trek" is a variation. Everything Gene does and his establish history stands. We now have this alternate timeline to play with. My friends, if you're a Sci Fi enthusiasts, its a good thing.
By SciFiFan at 11:07 AM ON 06/23/09
Yeah agreed Strike. I don't understand why people keep calling this a reboot because its not a true reboot. If it was there would be nothing at all of the old star trek mentioned at all, prime spock wouldn't have been in the movie, they wouldn't have needed nero at all, etc.
Sure there are things about the movie I didn't like, but that goes for any movie..
By chifu52 at 11:44 AM ON 06/23/09
!!!!!!!!!!!!!! KAHN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Or
!!!!!!!!!!!!! Borg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe do something the broke of First Contact
Maybe even make william shatner a borg like in his book the Return
By Zaphod at 11:46 AM ON 06/23/09
Two things I think they should stay away from: resetting the timeline to save Vulcan and time travel. Time travel is used way too much in Trek as a whole (Voyager just got stupid with it), and I like the idea of the Federation having to deal with out one of the founding and most important members - Vulcan. Imagine a Federation moving forward with an Earth-Andor core relationship rather than an Earth-Vulcan one. Quite a different Federation, especially if you look ahead to the TNG era.
I think if they are going to go with "reimagining" something from the series, it would only be, dare I say, logical, to have the ship and crew encounter the Talosians. That would be a great way to work Bruce Greenwood back as a major player as Pike.
Either that or they could remake Spock's Brain.
By OL at 11:47 AM ON 06/23/09
personally i'm nervous that the same people that delivered this joke of a film called Transformers: Revenge blah blah blah are doing Star Trek. I loved the 1st one (11th:)) and was happy this cult thing made it big budget finally, but i hope they won't make anotherMcDonalds sort of a franchise out of it, i hope they will be smarter...
By Kevin at 11:48 AM ON 06/23/09
I've said before... these ultra-rabid Trek fans (there should be a new name for them, because they really aren't true fans) whine and complain - most without seeing the film - about how because it's not the Trek they are familiar with, it's not "Trek." But then they have no problem with episodes like "Mirror Mirror."
Guess what? It's an alternate timeline!! Hmmm... now what else is an alternate timeline? Oh yeah!! The new movie. So actually their arguments should end right then and there.
I was hesitant about this new film until I saw it, but I can embrace it as Trek. I guess I"m not a narrow-minded, biased, bigoted fool. :)
By Womp at 11:48 AM ON 06/23/09
I dsagree with the Borg. They are far too overused in Trek. The same with Q.
Khan would only be good if done from the discovery of the Botany Bay, and maybe if another ship found it and was taken over by Khan. Force the confrontation between Kirk and Khan from a different direction to prevent rehashing the old story.
Seriously, the writers need a new adversary with real purpose and motivation. Prove to us that this new direction in Trek is really worth what they claim.
By Spaceman Spiff at 12:05 PM ON 06/23/09
~~~I think we're really, really pleased to find that, for the most part, the die-hard fans felt that they connected to the material the way they wanted to.~~~
This die hard fan did NOT connect.
~~~even though we felt like we were making choices that we felt were honoring the canon," Kurtzman says. "We really spend so much time thinking about both the fans and what Trek meant to us and what it means to stay true to canon."~~~
This is the most rediculous statement these two have made yet. How exactly doe this movie honor canon? They keep saying in every interview what such big Trek fans they have always been, then they write this wanna be Trek "reboot' I'm sorry a real Trek fan would not have destroyed Vulcan.
I did see this movie because One: it is a new Trek film and I was hopeful. Two: If your going to critisize soemthing you should knwo something about it. I will not bother buying the DVD however.
But if these two write the next movie and if JJ is connected with it in any way I have no interest in seing it because as far as I'm concerned it isn't Star Trek.
By One at 12:16 PM ON 06/23/09
The only thing in my mind that would be perfectly appropriate for a sequel is the EXPLORATION model! The new Trek film was a refreshing start to something we haven't seen in Star Trek before..... namely the epic visuals and a greater sense of adventure than pretty much anything that's come before it in the Trek universe. The only thing more refreshing than that would be to actually see the Enterprise in the midst of it's five year mission (which we've NEVER seen in any of the films) and to set Kirk & crew on a fantastic action-packed EXPLORATION adventure (which we RARLEY get to see in a Star Trek film). With the budget they have and the modern-sensibilities they possess going in this direction would be the only thing that could top the first film in this new series.
Nero as the villain served his purpose as the way for Kirk & crew to prove themselves. Now we know they're worthy of commanding the ship, and the only logical step is to see them fulfill their destiny as EXPLORERS. The new film ended with the Enterprise apparently beginning it's five year mission, and with Spock reciting the age old mission statement "...to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before". By literally finishing the new film on this note I can say that it would be very disappointing if the next film wouldn't live up to this tantalizing prospect.
We need to see the Enterprise flying through space on it's mission at the BEGINNING of the sequel (where the new film left off)! Let it be the first "TOS" film NOT to show Earth! And bring back EXPLORATION again! With the new sense of fast-paced adventure that's been injected into the franchise this would be the perfect way to finally create an exploration-themed story the way it was meant to be seen. Have them exploring unknown regions of space, with ensuing action-adventure. By ACTUALLY exploring "STRANGE NEW WORLDS" you'd end up creating something truly unique in Trek film history, yet truly faithful to what's at the HEART of Star Trek.
The new film was refreshing and new, yet familiar with it's homage. The only way to do the same in the next entry would be to do what I've stated above-- to reinvent Trek film mythology while truly honoring it's most primal roots.... EXPLORATION!
By Truebador at 12:42 PM ON 06/23/09
If Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman really want to do something original, they should make something totally new. I'm tired of remixes that are really the recking of something great because the so called "creative" mind of hollywood today aren't creative enough to make something totally original!
Do a Star Trek 2, sure. Let them solve the problem of restoring the timeline. The let the franchise die a dignified death. Get on with something new. There are still plenty of good ideas out there if hollywood would quit worrying about the bottom line by feeding the lowest common denominator. Instead, go back to the birth place of real science fiction... stories, "what if...", imagine...
I want something better that the same old same old updated for a younger generation that is so lazy it can't read a sci-fi book. If they have to reach back to the past, instead of yet another remake of the Time Machine, why don't they dig up some of the sci-fi classics that have yet to be done: the Foundation series, MacAffrey's Crystal Singer Pern or Doona series, some of Heinlein's: Farmer in the Sky, Starman Jones, Have Spacesuit Will Travel, or some of James P. Hogans books would make great movies.
I am very much enjoying some of the more original sci-fi series of late like Farscape, Firefly, Primeval, Fringe... all pretty original. Original movies on the other hand are rare and far between. Even some of the "original" screenplays rehash old ideas and are quite predictable.
By Krazyjoe at 12:45 PM ON 06/23/09
Star Trek 12. Star Trek 2 came out 27 years ago.
By Atergo at 12:48 PM ON 06/23/09
I think they should do the next movie as part of the five year mission, and base it on one of the novels that came out with the TOS crew. Obviously, they couldn't use one that involved Vulcan, but there were some awesome ST novels back in the 80's and 90's.
They could even do a poll where fans vote for their favorite novel!
By Truebador at 1:02 PM ON 06/23/09
lol, too true Krazyjoe. Star Trek "Reboot" 2 or Star Trek 12. My point still stands. Star Trek is about more than exploring new worlds. I has a lot of great principles woven through the stories. Principles that I don't see in this "brave new world" version of the franchise. Let the next generation either understand that or write something new. But instead of being daring in originality they just want to put there own stamp on the old and call it new. Yuck!
And by the way, I did go see the movie.
By treqqer1 at 3:59 PM ON 06/23/09
I was actually watching on September 14, 1966 when Star Trek was born. I have seen and loved every frame of Star Trek since, read every book, been to conventions, and campaigned for Trek's resurrection in the dark days of the 70's. I feel, therefore, that I have earned a certain amount of credibility with regard to all things Trek.
The new movie is not just good, it is great!
Abrams & company have updated the franchise while avoiding putting too many dents in the established "canon." More importantly, they have maintained the feel and philosophy of the TOS. I am truly impressed and grateful for the wonderful job they did with this film.
Interestingly, I was initially aghast at the smoochie stuff between Spock & Uhura - but then I went back and re-warched the first few episodes, and guess what? In some of those early episodes (esp. The Man Trap and The Naked Time) there actually DID seem to be a budding relationship there! At least the potential was there, even though nothing ever came of it.
It's possible that JJ Abrams (who admits to not being a life-long Trekkie) researched the project by watching those same early episodes and decided to translate that spark between Spock and Uhura to the big screen. It's actually pretty interesting - but I don't think he should take it too far. It's a little too much like watching you best friend kiss your sister!! Yeech!
Anyway, if you didn't like this film then you aren't really of fan of Trek, because the film incorporates the qualities of hope, honor, and optimism that made so many of us fall in love with Trek to begin with.
,,,I dare you to do better!!
By Kerrith at 4:00 PM ON 06/23/09
One thing that has always bothered me about the Trek universe is the Vulcans. They are stronger, smarter and live much longer than humans yet we only ever see a handful of them and rarely in command. I would think that with a century to devote to the job, more would be rising above the rank of Lt. Commander.
I think the destruction of Vulcan works really well because it turns the Vulcans into Tolkienesque Elf-like figures. They are the older race that is slowly fading into memory but are still around in a much diminished capacity as a source of wisdom and guidance for their human inheritors.
By Xenovic at 4:09 PM ON 06/23/09
I am a long time Star Trek fan. Since I was about 4 and saw TOS for the first time. So I was very critically entering the theater to see Trek. In fact, I had trouble enjoying it the first time because I couldn't believe they could pull it off. I had to scrutinize every aspect of the entire movie to decide whether or not I approved. At the end of the movie, I approved.
Why? Because they did a great job of respecting the old franchise, they didn't say it never happened, they didn't say that it was a wash out and that no part of it will ever exist again--Spock Prime is an example of this.
The Universe has changed, and the characters have new motivations, new emotions, and have made different decisions along the way, this will be interesting to watch.
No more Vulcan leaves a power vacuum, so I see two options available:
Option 1: Try to go back in time and save Vulcan -- mind you this would not fix the time line. Kirk's dad would still be dead, Spock Prime would still be hanging out from the Future, Pike wouldn't be living in a box with a couple blinking lights, and so on... But this would refill the power vacuum. Maybe the characters would even discover they can't save Vulcan after all, throwing them into a sort of further turmoil.
Option 2: Fill the vacuum with another race. Andorans would be interesting, but what if the race that filled the void was the Romulans, taking pity on their fallen cousins stepping up and doing the right thing. You have a completely new federation, with a completely new reason to be at odds with the Klingon empire.
The great thing about this new in time line is that this kind of thing can be changed and explored as "new."
I ended up going back to see Trek a second time after I'd decided that I approved, and I loved it. I felt about this what I felt the first time I saw an episode of TNG, "This is awesome! This is new! And this is something I can enjoy!" The cast does an exceptional job (Simon Pegg is still my fave) and the plot is more believable than many of the Treks in the past (well as believable as Sci Fi can be).
There are rumors of a new TV series in the same universe being worked out, with a couple of "Heroes" writers in the running for head writer positions--this could be cool. I would still really like to see a Star Fleet Academy style show (which was the runner-up idea at Paramount that lost out to "Enterprise"--should have gone with Academy IMHO...).
/steps off soap box...
By penfolduk01 at 4:33 PM ON 06/23/09
I presume they will approach writing Reboot 2/Trek 12 the same way they did the last one.
- Visit Memory Alpha
- Use the "Random Page" button several times
- Generate a nonsensical plot without reseraching any of the random pages further.
By Sleepyfan at 5:06 PM ON 06/23/09
I just hope there are some Klingons in the next one! Those guys are always entertaining!
By starkiller at 5:17 PM ON 06/23/09
If they run into Kahn & Co. they should log it, put out warning buoys and leave them frozen then continue whatever mission they're on.
By E at 6:48 PM ON 06/23/09
I'm so sick of hearing "fans" scream "fix the timeline." This would be the absolute worst thing the writers could do. Time travel based on linear time is overdone, boring, and just plain silly. ST 11 handled time travel in the best possible way, i.e., embracing the paradox and allowing for a couple of interpretations; however, to try to "undo" it to save Vulcan would simply bring us back to the same silliness, and with no point whatsoever.
Remember that the point of dealing with time travel in a story is not to deal with the concept of time travel itself -- the point is to explore the notion of paths not taken, i.e., contingent moments. What would be served by "fixing" the timeline, especially given the fact that Spock and Spock Prime already addressed the contingency issue @ the end of ST 11?
I agree that it sort of sucks that Vulcan was wiped out in ST 11. When I was first watching it happen, I was struck by two overwhelming thoughts: (1) I don't know if I can accept the destruction of Vulcan in ST canon and (more importantly) (2) I'm going to walk out of this theater if they pull one of those lame "fix the timeline" moves. Fortunately, the writers did the right thing, and the story worked.
As a ST fan since the late '70's, there are two things I'll ask for in the next film: (1) Bring back some philosophy; ST 11 lacked the moral dilemmas so prevalent in TOS. Don't overdo the philosophy, but don't overlook it either. (2) GIVE ME KLINGONS!!!
BTW we're all such dorks (esp me)!!
By AliensvsLordoftheTrekWars at 6:57 PM ON 06/23/09
Let's see an exploration-centered plot which still pays it's respects to the new movie by somehow referencing the loss of Vulcan and how it has affected Spock in new and different ways. Spock has obviously always been the coolest character of TOS, so now that Vulcan is gone this opens huge doors for how Spock's character develops. Just do it within the context of "exploring strange new worlds", cleverly making the unknown the next adversary, because the whole villain thing has been done to death in the film series. Respect to ST:TMP fans!!
By One at 7:12 PM ON 06/23/09
@E
"BTW we're all such dorks (esp me)!!" -- speak for yourself buddy!!
By Mechanimorph at 8:19 PM ON 06/23/09
Yeah it was suggested in the comments above.. but I like the idea of bringing Shatner back as Tiberius.
Make Tiberius the new "Khan" for this alternate universe.
TIBERIUS!!!!!!!!!!
By Valcan Krull at 9:37 PM ON 06/23/09
@E - I completely agree with you. I was saddened that it took nearly the entire comments section to hear someone that shared my opinion.
Avoid time travel at all costs please. Do not fix the timeline. It is the reason we can have fresh stories with these same characters. I support the idea of an exploration movie but I am not so sure how well that would translate into a mainstream film or any film of only 2-2.5 hours. If they are looking to keep it fresh and exciting avoid rehashing old plots from previous episodes or movies. Use the situation that they have in front of them. One of the founding members of the Federation is almost completely wiped out. The Klingons have had a fleet of 47 ships destroyed by a Romulan vessel in the Neutral Zone. The Romulans must face the possibility that their homeworld will be wiped out in the next 127 years or so. I forget what Spock Prime mentioned in the mind-meld. I would be interested in seeing a film where the Klingons are the bad guys again declaring war on the Romulans and Romulus comes to the Federation for help. I believe someone else above metioned something similar about the Romulans replacing the Vulcans in the Federation. I think that would be pretty cool. In original canon I never really bought that the Klingons and the Federation would be very strong allies. I do not want to see another V'Ger, Kahn, or whale movie even if those things are still likely to happen. Keep in mind that the events of ST: I, II, and IV are still at minimum 20-25 years ahead of the current reboot timeframe more likely even further since Kirk is a Captain now much sooner than he would have been in the original timeline.
By acelw3 at 11:28 PM ON 06/23/09
ok guys I don’t really write in these things but after reading the endless fix the timeline comments I saw I have to ask. "Did any of you have you brain engaged at the ending of the movie or were you all too wrapped up in the Spock prime-new Spock meeting?" for if you did and your one of the many people that want trek left the way it was you might have failed to see that the time line has a chance to save itself with no need of a movie. Spock prime and the new Spock met and talked and the new Spock knows of what he filed to do in the future to make the events of ST 11 happen. I mean we still have to look at the factor that there’s a star that’s going to destroy Romulus so new Spock can prepare for it a little earlier if he wanted. I think that what COULD happen and without a movie to fix the timeline with, but we all know what kind of Vulcan Spock is and I think he COULD leave it alone. The ending leaves room for what you want. Either Spock will fix the time line when he gets old or he leaves the time line alone and see what the universe will become.
By One at 11:50 PM ON 06/23/09
Orci and Kurtzman: I just have one more thing to say. You have stated that you're currently debating whether to go the "exploration" route or rehash the "villain model" once again. You've also stated that you want to continue doing something fresh. Shouldn't the answer be obvious? EXPLORATION all the way! Just because ST:TMP hasn't stood the test of time with the fans and the public does NOT mean that every single Trek film from then on 'till forever has to abandon what Trek was founded on from the beginning-- mystery of the unknown! Can't you see that this is what Star Trek really needs now? It's quite narrow-minded for everyone to assume that since ST:TMP didn't succeed in the hearts of "true" fans that the theme of exploration should never be "explored" again. Does Star Trek honestly need another villain? The slow-paced, "non-character-focused" approach of ST:TMP is surely not the ONLY way to execute the high concept of exploration. Exploration in and of itself is a theme that has been fairly neglected as a whole in science-fiction cinema, especially when it comes to outer space (ST:TMP, 2001, and 2010 are the only films that that come to mind). You only need to use your imagination and something truly unique and breathtakingly exciting can be produced out of such a concept. It's a concept that knows no bounds (unlike the "villain model") and this is the perfect time for it to be reinvented and breath NEW life, with something never before seen. I loved the new film, but it's time to EXPLORE again!!
I trust you guys can do it!
By Spaceman Spiff at 8:49 AM ON 06/24/09
Everyone is saying that this film doe not kill the old timeline. that it respects the old series, which it does not.
My point is that if no more movies or series are made in the old timeline then it is dead.
This same cast could have been used in a movie that was NOT a reboot, That did not creat an alternate timeline, that was simply a prequil that told the story of Kirk's early life. But no they couldn't do that, everything had to be changed to fit King JJ's new flashy whizbang vision.
A perfect example is the character of Jame T. Kirk. They changed him from a brash capable leader who was not afraid to bend the rules ocassionaly to an arrogant egotisticle juvenile delinquint who thought nothing of stealing a priceless antique car and driving it off a cliff and instaed of being inspired to join starfleet by a strong father figure had to be dared into joining by some one he had just met. (Four years? I'LL do it in three!) The hight of arrogance and the fact that he did it in three does not change that. I have met some very compatent people who were also very arrogant.
The whole time I was watching this movie I kept waiting to feel that Trek spark. It never happened. At no point did I ever feel like I was watching Star Trek.
If this mess is what you guys want for you new Trek then be my guest. I say no thank you.
By Jeff77042 at 3:27 PM ON 06/24/09
I liked the new ST movie well enough but I didn't like them messing up the time-line the way that they did and otherwise messing with canon. It ending with a very wet-behind-the-ears James T. Kirk being promoted to captain (O-6)--skipping ranks O-2 through 0-5, is truly beyond preposterous. There's a guy here where I work named Don who is a retired active-duty marine and who is a fan. We were talking about it and I said "I don't care if you have an I.Q. of 185. To function at the O-6 level (or O-4 or O-5), whether its commanding a capital ship or a brigade with 3,000+ men, requires *years* of training & experience. You can't just 'read the manual' and do it." He readily agreed.
My idea for a trilogy to re-boot the franchise is more of a true prequel:
Movie One: Begins with Kirk & Spock graduating from star fleet academy as ensigns and being assigned to to the newly commissioned Enterprise, which is two or three warp-factors faster than anything that's preceded it, commanded by Cpt. Chrisopher Pike. New parts of the alpha-quadrant to be explored. Scotty was two years ahead of them at the academy and is a lieutenant j-g. (Uhura & Sulu are two years behind them and other than brief cameo appearances don't have a role). McCoy is just completing his residency and is assigned to the Enterprise (but doesn't start as CMO).
They all "boldly go where no man has gone before," encounter a new sentient race and have a rip-roaring adventure. Kirk & Spock perform "above and beyond the call" and are promoted & decorated. (Kirk, of course, has *wild* sex with one-or-more alien females with multiple heads, arms, legs--whatever).
Movie Two: Begins two or three years after the last one left off. Kirk & Spock where promoted during that period and are now lieutenant s-g's (O-3). Blah-blah-blah...alien sex..Sulu & Uhura assigned to the Enterprise...more alien sex..and at the end of the movie Kirk is promoted to O-4. Spock isn't promoted but this is because he wants his career to go the scientific route and not the "command" route.
Movie Three: Begins two or three years later. Kirk and Spock are now O-5 and O-4, respectively, with Kirk as first officer to Cpt. Pike; Spock is science officer. Blah-blah-blah...Kirk is captured by the space amazon women and is given the choice of breed with all 10,000 of them or the Enterprise gets destroyed...sundry rip-roaring adventures...the CMO dies and McCoy is made CMO...Cpt Pike has his famous accident saving the children, is maimed for life and Kirk & Spock are promoted to O-6 and O-5, respectively, with Kirk finally given command of the Enterprise, Spock first-officer (and science officer) and Scotty made chief engineer. At the very end they're briefed on their ground-breaking five-year mission "to seek out new life..."
Needs some fleshing-out, to include some sub-plots, but that's my $0.02.
By Spaceman Spiff at 5:42 PM ON 06/24/09
Jeff77042~~
That is exactly the kind of thing I was thinking.
No insipid alternate timeline, no asinine destruction of Vulcan, no egotistical juvenilely minded Kirk and no romance between Spock and Uhura. I'm sorry but in no OS episode I have ever seen is there any kind of spark between the two. Not that I have anything particular against a romance btween them. It's just that at this point in Spock's life he is in a mental struggle with his human emotional side. Trying desperatly to keep it under control and live as a vulcan. I do not think he would engage in something as emotionally tumultuous as a romance with any one let alone a human.
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By anakin at 9:07 PM ON 06/24/09
The 1st (11) was great. I just hope they don't continue the Spock-Uhura relationship. Ugh. I thought that was just TOO wierd. Other than that, great movie. Can't wait for the next one.
By macmikey at 3:19 AM ON 06/25/09
Womp,
"Khan would only be good if done from the discovery of the Botany Bay, and maybe if another ship found it and was taken over by Khan."
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan.
By Womp at 9:05 AM ON 06/25/09
macmikey,
I mean from the starting with the Botany Bay in deep space, as in "Space Seed." I'd prefer not to see Khan, but if they need to do it again, it should start that way in my opinion.
Thanks.
By The Doctor at 10:00 PM ON 06/25/09
if jj remakes wrath of kahn i'm on kahn's side.
and i'll laugh when spock dies.
By reubb09 at 10:24 PM ON 06/27/09
The sequel could be an expanded version of the the TOS "Arena" where the Federation and the Gorn fight it out
or
have one of the many Star Trek novel turned into a movie. Since they were written by very respected writers, the movie versions should be well received.
By Spaceman Spiff at 9:35 AM ON 06/28/09
Or they could re-do one of the best episodes. The one where Spock goes through Parn far and has to return to Vulcan---Oh wait, I'm sorry they CAN"T do that can they?
JJ Abrams is a dickhead!
By Rob at 6:43 PM ON 06/28/09
Agreed, Spiff, but keep in mind that since Abrams is behind the sequel, maybe the idiot will have an angry Spock go back in time to stop the destruction of Vulcan.
By tallonism at 3:35 PM ON 06/29/09
I think they should focus on a Federation vs Klingon war. With Vulcan gone, the federation would be significantly diminished and the war would appear much more dire, so kirck, spok, and the rest would be so much more needed. I think a great klingon general putting kirk's captain abilities to the ulitmate war time strategy test would be a great film.
By tallonism at 3:40 PM ON 06/29/09
I think a Federation vs Klingon empire film would be good, Vulcan's destruction would deal a significant blow to the Federation and give the Klingon's a much greater position to win the war against the Federation. Have a Klingon Hero Captain put Captain Kirk to an ultimate strategic test. I think it'd be a good story
By Spaceman Spiff at 1:22 AM ON 06/30/09
To be honest, If Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman are involved, I have no interest whatever in seeing the next movie. As far as I'm concerned, Star Trek is over.
By Son of a Maui Portagee at 5:58 AM ON 07/02/09
I try to focus on the fact that Paramount doesn't own Star Trek - CBS does. They've provisionally been given the reins of the film franchise but CBS controls Star Trek and has the final say on the proper direction it should take- not Paramount.
Moonves isn't a Trek lover but he does make pragmatic decisions like keeping all the Trek merchandising.
By blizz2be at 8:48 PM ON 07/08/09
All I know is that it takes 20 years to be a star ship captain. Not six weeks.I would like to see Kirk and Spock as junior officers with a lot less responsibility.
By Son of a Maui Portagee at 10:11 PM ON 07/09/09
@blizz2be,
I agree. If the next movie wants to have any semblance of credibility it will have to take place after years of Starfleet giving the E nothing but milk runs till they feel they've proven the crew can work together consistently as a cohesive unit and that the Nero defeat wasn't just some sort of fluke.
About the only out the writers might have is Spock Prime. And that's only if Starfleet finds anything he might say on the matter useful. Then perhaps he might be allowed to assign the E missions calculated to best develop into the well-oiled machine that it became in his universe. Unfortunately that might just lead to rehashing ToS - although Spock Prime probably has information on other ships' logs that might leave an out for getting the E to places in a script where it has never gone before.
By Captn. Prick hard at 10:11 AM ON 09/28/09
restoring the timeline makes sence, but they must travel to the future to prevent Romulus' Destruction. Imagine a TOS Enterprise in Post TNG era . . .Cameo's Galore. . .klingons try to stop them, Non ridged Augment types and TNG types in a freaky time desplaced union, with the a faction of the Future deminished Empire offering there past selves info in order to ensure a better position for themselves in there present. an explanaton for the drastic change in appearence of the Romulans would be nice. . . a Gorn fight. . .please?......Spock vs Romulans, Pon Farr style...highlighting the core simularities between the estranged Species, the return of Admeral Archers Begal....obsolving Scotty....Temperol Cold war.....Just Kidding...although a Mirror Universe Emperor Tiberious (Shatner) apperance could be cool...out of place but cool.
Captn. Prick hard:
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