Well, clearly (as all TSCC fans already knew) Fox should have chosen Terminator, instead of dollhouse. Atleast Terminator had the numbers. Good job fox! nice pick!

Yep, Americans don't want good writing, they want sex and Jerry Springer-like 'drama' mired in mediocre dialogue and pathetic storylines. I'm surprised it was renewed for a second season. I think it's a great show, and but then most of the shows I like get canceled. I'll continue to watch it, but FOX is known for throwin' shows under the bus, so it'll be gone by Thanksgiving.

I'm certainly not going to count it out just yet. While I'll be the first to admit that the opener was quite lackluster (though the stuff sans-Bamber was solid), it was still more interesting than most of the tripe on TV. The first season took half a season to get on its feet, but ultimately instilled enough network faith to be renewed. So long as the show can pick itself up within a couple episodes and get moving again, I'm reasonably optimistic.

Love the show! The season premiere was a little hard to follow however. Having it on Friday night really hurts it though.

Perhaps it's because people are watching on DVR or Hulu? Or maybe because they never aired Epitaph One which is a real game changer. Just a few thoughts!
http://www.igp-scifi.com/dollhouse-episode-guide-2.html

why create a future where the world is in mayhem and then create a playland atmosphere in your season 2 premiere...the best episode of dollhouse has never been shown on tv..that's why this show is doomed to fail!

to evilgold...Epitaph One was not seen by the general public. And the fun is in the set-up to how you to get Epitaph one. Whether it occurs in one season or 2 seasons has yet to be seen. Somewhat similar to Babylon 5 and the Shadow War, you want to see the Domino's before you knock em down.

The only other problem i have is that Fox really has it stuck on Friday. Maybe a Sunday night would do well where Sci-fi has been decent.

I think Joss needs a relationship with a different network and a new night. Firefly was on Fox and wasn't it on Friday nights as well and look what happened to that. I know it's not Joss himself because look at how long Buffy and Angel lasted.

After the TSCC finale last season, Dollhouse's numbers went down. Why is anyone surprised it isn't any better now? The target demo doesn't stay home and watch on Friday night, they DVR or watch online later. If Fox wants Dollhouse to get better ratings they need to move it to another night. If they want better Friday night ratings they should target another demo.

I really hope this show lasts, but if history really does repeat itself, then it's unlikely Dollhouse will survive, which is a shame because I love Whedon and his work. And putting it on Friday nights at 9 was a BIG mistake, but we all pretty much knew that already. What I hate most of all, though, is frakking Syphilis channel putting Stargate Universe on at the same time as Dollhouse. Is everyone actaully TRYING to get thesse shows cancelled?!?!?! You people are all idiots. Every. Last. One.

Myself, I almost NEVER watch TV "live" - I DVR most programs to watch when it's convenient for me. I'll watch Dollhouse Saturday afternoon, when I have some time. I suspect a very large chunk of Dollhouse's audience does the same, especially with weekend programs.

Don't the ratings company take DVR's into account? It is 2009 after all!

The engagement of the week was one of the better ones considering all the horrible ones last season, but the highlight of the episode was Dr. Saunders. Amy Acker is so amazing and I’ll be sad to see her in only 2 more episodes. Echo and Ballard working together seems like it will work very well. Full review of the episode on my blog.

http://th3tvobsessed.blogspot.com/2009/09/review-dollhouse-season-2-episode-1.html

Fox renewed Dollhouse last season, so we have no clue how low Dollhouse can go before they actually care, but those numbers are pretty pathetic.

hey, if people take into account how many people watched it on DVR and Hulu, I'm sure the numbers will go up.

I thought the season premiere was awesome, things were deeper, richer, heavier and held my interest more and more as the show went on. I'm sticking with it. and more people should stick with it. the reason shows get cancelled is because the viewers give up and then whine and complain that no one watches the show.

i thought the season 2 premiere was pretty good. Amy Acker was really good in it

I'm going to boycott Fox & all News Corporation companies & their work if this carries on. It's not just one or two series - it's every one I get into. Fine - if they want to base their production on NIelsen ratings, let them get NOTHING from syndication. Us overseas viewers need to stand up & be heard.

The show is hard to follow and very low key. Knowing Fox,this will be gone before Halloween if not much earlier. And TSCC probably wouldn't have done any better as that story was complete before the decision to cancel/renew.

I liked the episode. It's on Friday night so I don't expect great ratings.

What's the point of that headline and this article anyway? To bash the competition?

The business of TV is ratings and only ratings. Networks try to catch trends and profit off them with shows that ride that trend. Dollhouse, despite Joss Whedon, isn't part of that, and so audiences tune out and ratings go down. As such, ad rates go down and Fox loses money. Bottom line. It is what killed Star Trek in the 60's. And, yes, ratings can be wrong as ST has proven through the years...

TSCC was by far the superior show and Kevin OReilly from FOX just had a thing about it

he interfered with BOTH shows to the point where they called the girlfriend FOX wanted John Connor to have RILEY! and he prevented Joss from going where he wanted in S1 of dollhouse to boot

as long as they rely on Nielsens no Friday show and no sci fi fantasy will do well enoug to sruvive
Raimi has beat this issue by syndicating legens of the seeker out of the gate

I read recently that the big netwrorks signed on to a new ratings system, I am writing it up for a paper for my application for the film studies program at ASU!

I hope the new system wil keep SciFi fantasy alive! most of us DVR today!

Gee, maybe Fox should have actually re-run the show during the summer?? It would have had a chance at catching more viewers than during the regular season & let fans rewatch it. Not everyone can watch on hulu & the like after all.

Sticking it on Friday night without a good lead-in was also a stupid idea--soon to be made worse when 'Stargate Universe' starts airing opposite it.

Whedon should know better than to go to Fox with his shows by now. But then CW wouldn't be much better judging by how they've handled, rather mis-handled 'Supernatural.'

Stuff it, Sci Fi Wire. If you really like the show as you claim, try promoting it more positively and stop constantly sounding the Death Toll.

This site is so weird. They'll promote things constantly as being the Ultimate Ultimate and then when that show or movie actually comes out, they'll trash it up one side and down the other. What is with you people?

Oh, for the love of...
I continue to be left in awe at the shear stupidity represented by any Media outlet that utilizes 'ratings' as a tell-tale sign of how well a show is doing or not. This has been highlighted already in some previous posts, but this is a Age of Hulu and DVR; and with more people working overtime to keep pace with a fractured economy that is recovering at a snail's pace judging a show's success by how many people are sitting infront of the television is complete lunacy. I mean, come on people! I understand that ratings equals money for the studio through advertising. But, the era of 'that' kind of mind-set is dead, and it has been since the first moment TV shows could be watched on the Net and the birth of Tivo. I fail to understand how this very easy and simple observation continues to be missed, thereby causing the deaths of Multiple shows of great quality. I'm...completely at a loss here.

kari

CW is actually very pleased with Supernaturals numbers and has asked Eric Kripke to do a Season 6 despite them having gone in writing an arc to only last 5 yrs. The cast is signed to 6 so I am hoping we get it. And I want to know how Smallville did Friday!!!!! the CW is far more supportive looking for much lower ratings than the networks do. They also want to keep Smallville for a s10. Of course, the CW exec is a woman, ah hem, we have more committment and are less fickle donchaknow, lol

also CBS has Medium now that NBC dumped it despite the fact that it had good ratings! So I am DVRing both Medium and Dollhouse and waching CW...

I am hoping Vampire Diaries and Supernatural togethee will give a good wallop to Thursday ratings!

and hubby is watching and DVRing Stargate Universe!
Friday night is pretty packed and with the recession we have more time for the tv..

Sarah has her revenge...you've been terminated Doll House.

Haha I wish that was true about women executives being in charge of network shows.

They are just as cutthroat, if not more so, than the men.

:( I still miss the best show Scifi ever put on the air, (farscape) which was cut by a female executive. :P

Anyway, I'm gonna miss Dollhouse, but honestly, if the show was just about the events that lead upto Epitaph One, and not about the events that happened afterwards, then I'm not that sad to see it go. The Dollhouse story I'm interested in hearing is what happens after the events of EO.

I thought the show opened up a lot of new possiblities and I can't wait to see what happens next. This show does not belong on Friday nights. It's target audience is OUT on friday night. Duh Fox.

I only caught it by accident. I don't remember seeing a single commercial letting me know it was on. My DVR didn't even realize a new episode was on! Not sure why that was.

I won't be too heart broken if Dollhouse is cut. I mainly watch it for Eliza Dushku. Hopefully she'll end up on another show that I watch (hint, hint SyFy). Whedon's best work was obviously on Firefly and that's far behind us. Heck, his writing on Astonishing X-Men was much better than the storylines we've gotten from Dollhouse.

It's really quite simple why the show is bombing, and it's why I've never watched the show nor ever intend too. Before it came out amid all the hype I mostly heard negative things, and how troubled the production was. Also, I was never given a good pitch for the show. I never heard a good reason why I should watch it, what the hook was. Then it came out and I heard just horrendous things about it. So of course I wasn't going to watch it. Even now I hear it's still not very good. And I've missed the entire first season, I'll have no idea who anyone is or what's going on. And why would I care to be confused by a show that's not even very good. It's simply too little too late for anyone else to come aboard and watch this show.

Ah, sweet justice. TSCC consistently had higher ratings that dollhouse, yet it got the axe. Of course a Fox exec can never admit they made the wrong decision. At least they're paying for it.

Dollhouse has been poorly written, and Eliza Dushku is a terrible actress, I'm not surprised the ratings were so low.

I love the concept of Dollhouse, but it never seems to go anywhere. Why spend all that money on brainless prostitutes?

For the life of me I'll never understand network obsession with ratings. I understand they need people to watch, but expecting a huuuuuge number of people to watch a new show and make it a super hit from day one is just ridiculous. You're never going to make a show that everyone likes, that interests all demographics. What's wrong with good ratings? Why do they have to be obscenely high? And who the heck is tabulating these ratings? It's 2009 for Pete's sake and Dollhouse's demographic is likely 16-40, busy and tech savvy which means they probably don't have time between 8-10pm on ANY night to watch T.V., I know I don't . I DVR almost everything and the rest I watch online. Why aren't those numbers being counted? Does viewership cease to count if it's DVR/Online and if so, why? This just makes no sense.

I had hoped that Dollhouse would be cancelled last season when I heard that TSCC was to be sacrificed in favour this show now I'm happy to see that it is soon to happen.

It's not helpful to almost urge the show's cancellation, Sci Fi Wire. It's sensationalistic and is very likely to shift opinion and make speculation a reality. Please don't do this. You're better than this.

At the same time, Whedon is pretty consistent in writing really crappy season openers. Chris Carter or Ronald D. Moore or Ira Steven Behr he is not!

Fox deserves to bomb after ending TSCC

To all my fellow T:TSCC fans, I have to say that I too hated Dollhouse, based on the first few eps, but someone persuaded me to rent eps 6 onward and they're pretty damn great -- even rivaling "Sarah Connor Chronicles". I don't know why Whedon screwed up again -- as he did during Buffy -- with a lousy stand-alonish season opener, but you really should check out discs 2 and especially 3 and 4 of "Dollhouse" Season 1. Really, it's very exciting and has some great acting. However, I agree with many of you that Dusku isn't that great. She's not Charisma Carpenter or Jennifer Garner bad, but that annoying street accent/personality gets on my nerves.

Please give it another shot, folks.

Dollhouse is a great show with some great characters. It's such a drag that the haters and bitter TSCC fans (Wait, scratch that. The bitter TSCC fans will never be happy) will never get it because they can't get past the first couple episodes of the first season, which I consider FOX's episodes more than Joss's.

I thought that the season premier was head and shoulders above the first season opener, and I'm hoping that word of mouth of the improved quality this season, now that Joss is being given more freedom, will bring numbers up a bit....It could happen, right?

I DVR almost everything so I can by pass commercials. I watched the S2 premier about an hour after it broadcast. I really liked it but was confused as it didn't seem to pick-up from last seasons finale.
I hate unexplained gaps.

Why doesn't Fox move Dollhouse to their cable outlet FX. There Joss can be freer with language and situations, and do a tightly written 12 episode season. Like Rescue Me and Nip/Tuck, the weekly episode will be shown a couple of times a week, allowing fans to catch a broadcast. This, combined with DVRs and online viewing might take the ratings pressure off the show, which you can't get away from on the major networks. Hopefully, this might nurture a growing audience to over time. If Dollhouse caters to a fringe audience, then let it live where the fringe seem shows to do better.

Dollhouse is okay....but Terminator was so much better. I still cant comphrehend the logic of the cancellation and them renewing Dollhouse. Really annoying.

They should just cancel the fox network all together.

come on guys joss whedon is a great writer who fox never really appreciated, but lets face it we all hoped dollhouse would be another buffy or angel but its not. its not even a firefly.
we all know fox made the wrong choice by not renewing TSCC and more than likely they know it to,BUT and it is a big But, we are never going to get TSCC backas much as i loved it.
dollhouse should never have been brought back. simple as that, and we'll be stuck with some god awful replacement to boot.

I won't be watching this show ever again.After sitting thru some of the worst stuff I had watched in years like 6 episodes I stopped and won't be back.I want to see TSCC back in some form not this kind of show.It is boring,pointless, and unoriginal.It does nothing for me so I will stay far away.It will never make it to the creator's projected end and will probably be lucky if it even makes it to a full second season.
and to you at FOX I have been boycotting any of yo ur new products since you cancelled TSCC and might be willing to buy again but only after next May as I am taking you off my radar for at least a full year.You guys at FOX can be so ignorant at times.

First, I'm not sure when the idiots that post here will understand that there was no hope for TSCC - it sucked, and it died. There was *never* an either or with Dollhouse. And, franky, if there was, the last six epsiodes of Dollhouse would have stamped all over the incredibly expensive snoozefest that TSCC became. I think the real problem is - the audience for Dollhouse IS NOT HOME on Friday nights and DOES NOT WATCH REAL TIME TV. Frankly, I have no idea why anyone would watch real time TV at all. I was forced to watch commercials the other day (I wanted to see a premier real time), and it very much seemed that more than half of the hour was commercial - and they were horrible, stupid, and brain-sucking bits hawking crap I'll never buy and for stores I will never shop in (Wal-mart). No thanks - I'll go back to digital and commercial-free viewing. In fact, I will probably watch the Dollhouse premier (and Flashforward) sometime tonight - and in less than 1.5 hours time commitment.

I was a fan of TSCC however I'm not hating Dollhouse for the other show's demise after all I am also a fan of Dollhouse. For all of ypu who only hate Dollhouse because of TSCC was dropped the show wasn't canon to Terminator Salvation and i think that had more to do with it getting dropped. Anyway i download tv shows in this day & time Cable is too expensive for my household, however we show are support by buying the Blu Rays -so sad all you TSCC didn't help with the
dvd or blu sales cause it all of you so called fan's should have helped put it in the #1 spot

Good die die die die. The ultimate betrayal by Summer also

Oh, and BTW, I love how siffy continues it's ongoing campaign to trash Dollhouse by neatly avoiding mentioning that ALL off the Friday night shows were down by a staggering amount. Medium was down by 33% (and fared the best), which Law & Order and Smallville declined MORE than Dollhouse. It's not that people are not watching - they are just not watching LIVE TV in REAL TIME anymore.

I wonder how Siffy is going to ramp up it's trashing of Dollhouse for next week - when SGU stats airing opposite it on Friday nights.

Lets not take our anger out on Summer. She's an actress and she needs the work.

Dollhouse is steaming pile of crap, plain and simple...

Karlee, I totally agree with you on the need for reruns. That's how I got into The X-Files in time for the Season 3 premiere. I saw "Anasazi" and was wowed and then caught up in the summer of 1995 with all the big mythology eps of Season 2. In trying to force fans to buy the DVD set, they've forgone many less open-minded fans than me who might not want to plomp down the cash for a rental, let alone a purchase.

Bewildered, tvbiz is correct, we have a responsibility to watch the show live if we have Nielsen boxes. Otherwise, it'll get forced off the air early like BSG or cancelled like The 4400 and T:TSCC and Angel and so many others. DVRing is going to get this thing cancelled, and we can't just blame the network, even though it is the TV industry's fault for advertizing this product and then punishing viewers for using it. We have to do our part.

jedimom, I fully agree that Fox has messed up Dollhouse. I saw the original pilot Joss Whedon shot and it was fine -- so much better than the crappy eps Fox made him do and which drove viewers like me away. Even this latest ep was a huge waste of Jamie Bamber's talent. I just don't find pointless assignments that don't relate to the larger story interesting at all; what is this, a piece of crap like Alias that's just an opportunity to see the lead's cleavage?

I look forward to the day when broadcasters find a business model that works with an audience who doesn't believe in live television, because the number of live TV watchers is just going to keep diminishing. They already know they're in trouble; you could tell by watching the Emmys, where half the jokes were about how few people were watching. NPH sang a song in which he begged us to watch it live instead of DVRing it. Sci-fi fans tend to be a little gadget-happy so we just happen to be the first DVR fanatics.

In the meantime, I'll miss Dollhouse, but at least I got Epitaph One.

I enjoyed it & want to see more.
But the simple truth is that the X-Files is the only series that has beaten the Friday night doom.
Perhaps that's an X-file?

I just love how Sc-fans and whedon tards in particular always make excuses for why his shows get trashed. Nobody is watching this show because it sucks. The dumb "actress" from Buffy who sucked on that show, is NOT a draw. She s one of the wort actresses working today. The show should have been cancelled last season, and now we will VERY SOON get that mistake fixed. DEATH TO DOLLHOUSE and unemployment for suck dushku!

Wait a minute: Dollhouse was on last night? (bleep!) I forgot all about it. Of course, maybe if someone had bothered doing ANY ads for it at all then I would've seen them and remembered to watch... oh well, I guess I'll see it next week then.

Can we just bring back the Dresden Files and be done with it.........

Dollhouse is on the wrong network.It should be on
Sci FI .

Not shocked at all. Jaimie Bamber as a bad guy? It is to laugh. And I did.

Maybe our ability to skip the ads is why they don't want to count DVR viewership. After all, we are still stuck in the partnership of those who are willing to watch commercials and advertisers wanting thm to watch determining what gets shown on TV.

I would pay $2.00 an episode to watch Dollhouse. Let me download episodes and burn them to a blank DVD. I'll be fine.

I am pissed at FOX for cancelling TSCC, but thats not why I wont watch Dollhouse. I watched the 1st 4 episodes of DH last year and it was terrible, and I was looking forward to it until I actually saw an episode.

There are folks that say keep watching; it eventually will get better, but for how long. Dollhouse, Season 9, episode 4...WOW! What a great episode. Of course, I doubt it makes it half way thru this season.

Uilleam said: "Yep, Americans don't want good writing, they want sex and Jerry Springer-like 'drama' mired in mediocre dialogue and pathetic storylines. "

I tend to agree that Americans are generally shallow, and that is why reality TV does so well here. However, Dollhouse is NOT well written, and it IS pretty much about sex, and calling the dialogue 'mediocre' is a compliment compared to what this series has to offer.
I WANTED to like this show, and I even watched the entire first season. It never got good.
'Epitaph One' is one of the best episodes of any TV series that I have ever seen. Unfortunately, the season premiere proved that we are not going to get that kind of show, we are going to get more of the same that made the first season so terrible.

It's true tha interesting and quality programing is shunned by today's audience.. Americans suck! Bollywood.. *pukes* Weadon always has the best writing and characters... It's too bad people suck.. Though it could be something else.. Every one knows is not going to have an ending.. Because studios suck ass and never finish anything they start.. So why get into a show until you are sure it's going to end.. If shows always had endings then good shows like this would have higher ratings because people know that they are not going to be wasting there time getting into a show just to have it stop without a proper ending..

I'll have to admit I've never seen the first episode and it will be harder on Fridays between Smallville and SGU (and Smallville after last season is really iffy!). I sometimes don't pick up on shows until they've been around for awhile. FireFly was the first I really regretted never seeing while it was on. Is it that good or should I be glad that I never wasted my time?

Watcher you said

"I continue to be left in awe at the shear stupidity represented by any Media outlet that utilizes 'ratings' as a tell-tale sign of how well a show is doing or not. This has been highlighted already in some previous posts, but this is a Age of Hulu and DVR; and with more people working overtime to keep pace with a fractured economy that is recovering at a snail's pace judging a show's success by how many people are sitting infront of the television is complete lunacy. I mean, come on people! I understand that ratings equals money for the studio through advertising. But, the era of 'that' kind of mind-set is dead, and it has been since the first moment TV shows could be watched on the Net and the birth of Tivo. I fail to understand how this very easy and simple observation continues to be missed, thereby causing the deaths of Multiple shows of great quality. I'm...completely at a loss here."

You have to remember networks don't care about Hulu or DVR viewers because advertisers don't care -

TV, is completely AD SUPPORTED - a show is only as good to the network as the number of eyesballs it has looking at the commercials... Quality program or not, if the network can not sell the commericals at a high enough profit - it gets junked

Artistically speaking is a crappy model.

Network TV is not the place for niche programing
It has always been a broad medium. Once in a while you get a show with a niche concept that hits big (LOST comes to mind) And sometimes a show does well with alpha comsumers (mostly women between 18-35, and adults 35-54 with incomes over 100,000 are coveted by advertisers so if you are doing well with those audiences you can have a lower total share (which explains most of the CW lineup catering to young women)

I have had shows I loved that got canceled before their time (Sports NIght, The original Jeremy Piven Cupid) and I am thrilled NBC is taking a chance with a 3rd season of Chuck - but until there is a better system to either a) deliver programming that doesn't count on the courting of the lowest common denomenator or b) a more representative means of measuring viewers
you are gonna have to deal with it

the show sucks anyway! i d just watch it when i was bored.

I'm still surprised Dollhouse was renewed.

The Fox crawls out of the hole, lights a match, and burns down the dollhouse.

Another super chick show how boring are you suprised? And sure as hell they will make more.

DANG IT! I'm blaming it on "NO ADVERTISMENT". My husband and I watched the first seasn and loved it, and had no clue that the second season started last night. We didn't see one commercial.
Not fair, we love Joss. (Big time Buffy/Angel/Fire Fly fans)

I saw plenty of commercials for Dollhouse. But then again, I have been watching TV live for the last week so I can get the shows in HD OTA since D* still doesn't offer local HD programming in my area, and Windows 7 doesn't come out for another month, and my crappy TV tuner card sucks on XP.

I am glad because it just proves Doll House sucks. They should have never Canceled
TTSCC. It's original and with a amazing cast.

I watch Dollhouse when I remember to and wish I liked it better because of Joss and the cast. But reality is, if it got cancelled tomorrow I'd just go 'meh'. Which is my word for the show. "Meh" sets. "Meh" stories. "Meh" style and presence.

The only thing that will save Dollhouse is if they made Paul Ballard a vampire....

I never watch tv shows live and I've never been polled by any ratings company, so I guess it doesn't matter so much. Of course, I don't watch them on DVR or Hulu either, so they won't get my input that way either. Who knows how many people are watching like me and not getting considered. I would bet a large portion of the target demo is.

This is nothing more than FOX's vendetta against science fiction. Its cheaper for them to do Jerry Springer and other garbage, so they keep doing half arsed scifi shows in bad time slots to "prove" that no one wants to watch science fiction. its a lot like organized religion in that sense.

A question for all the Terminator fans who keep saying they're glad Dollhouse is failing since TTSCC got canceled: Are you five? I'm serious. Because either you're a five year old genius with amazing typing skills or you're an adult who behaves like a five year old and I'd really like to believe the latter. Are you so petty that you want everyone else to suffer because you're suffering? If you can't have a pony you don't want anyone to have a pony? I get your frustration and disappointment and I'm sorry you lost something important to you, but spewing hate won't bring TTSCC back. FOX was very clear that their decision to cancel TTSCC wasn't based on keeping DH but even if it was what good does it do you to rain on everyone else's parade? This is a case of misery loves company and frankly you should be ashamed of yourselves. With an attitude like this you don't deserve to be taken seriously or to have your show renewed.

I admit, I watched Medium instead. I don't want Dollhouse to succeed because I was a terminator fan. After rewatching Whedon's Alien Resurrection many times on DVD I realize it nailed the coffin shut for many years (sorta).

I know that Summer Glau is on it as well as my BSG faves, but I'm just not completely in love with the concept. I think stuff like Buffy was stronger because it was summed up in two words "Kill Vampires." With star trek its "explore space". On some level TV is just about simulating what I'd love to do in real life. But with dollhouse its "be a prostitute and forget about it" I think Echo started as a victim. You'll find that a lot of American's really don't sympathize with female victims (unless they are super powered and on a mission).

Just my thoughts....I really wont watch DH until its not in the same time-slot of Medium, which I've been watching for years.

@Blessed Blogger
We are trying to smite Fox, not the fans of DH. We heard it was an either or situation in cancellation, so the shows are connected at the hip. Fox is a huge corporation and the really hardcore TSCC fans are buying Sarah DVDs but not watching any FOX programming whatsoever this fall, including Dollhouse.

Your comparison also fails. Dollhouse is not a "pony." Its a broken down rotting donkey carcass, and the S2 premiere ratings prove it.

"We heard it was an either or situation in cancellation"

That's exactly what is was NOT. It was never either or. And they stated this. Both shows as the same exact ratings. Both were low. They could have kept both or cancelled both.

I rather enjoy dollhouse. I've always thought it was a good show. I haven't watched the premiere yet because I don't watch live TV. My DVR is full of shows so i'm behind on everything. I get around to it though.

Dollhouse obviously requires far more nudity. I believe Eliza can provide. I caught her "Open Graves" B movie on SyFy and that was a most excellent nude scene at the end. If Dollhouse is on its last leg, then pull out all the stops. In fact, let's have a completely nude show because I know that Amy is good for it too. Please let me know when that happens. Thanks in advance.

Good Riddance!

Bravo, Blessed Blogger!
As for the ratings,they were always going to be like this. What's keeping Dollhouse is alive is DVr, DVD sales and downloads. For some reason,entertainment writers seem to have a very hard time grasping that overnight ratings aren't as important as they used to be. I wonder why that is....

I do wish the TSCC people would go moan somewhere else and take their frustrations out on Fox (which cancelled the show) instead of Joss and Dollhouse (which didn't).

I'm not surprised Dollhouse is doing badly. Its not a good show and should never have been commissioned for a first season let alone a second.

BTW Epitaph One was screened in the UK when Dollhouse was shown on the British Sci-Fi Channel. If this episode had been the pilot and the show continued from its end, Dollhouse would have been a very different and much better SF show.

Azgoroth said: "This is nothing more than FOX's vendetta against science fiction. Its cheaper for them to do Jerry Springer and other garbage, so they keep doing half arsed scifi shows in bad time slots to "prove" that no one wants to watch science fiction. its a lot like organized religion in that sense."

You're absolutely right, but not specific enough. The real truth is that they did this specifically to spite YOU. Really, I heard an insider say that. 'Dollhouse' was supposed to be much better, but then they heard that you like science fiction and decided to waste millions of dollars making sure that it was a terrible show just to spite you.
So, yeah, thanks. 'Dollhouse' sucks because of you.

They make a big deal out of how it didn't keep the "Brothers" audience. But I don't see how they expect to.

I can't believe the people who watch "Brothers" are the same people who would watch "Dollhouse". At least last year with TSCC, there was some overlap in audience.

If Dollhouse was on at 8pm, and Brothers at 9pm, we'd be hearing how Brothers didn't "keep" the Dollhouse audience.

It's like the year the WB put Angel after 7th Heaven. I was probably the only viewer who watched both. :-)

That said, I can't understand why they didn't re-show the series before starting up, or at least the last 2 shows of the series, so new viewers would understand. New viewers weren't going to see it on hulu.

My guess is that was to push DVD sales; otherwise, they could have re-shown it on FX.

Maybe the problem is that people have lives on Friday night and most folks are not going to stay in just to watch a show (this is true even for BSG). Also note, Fringe and other assorted shows got tons more hype going in to the new season. Without this site, I never would have known that Dollhouse was restarting last night.

I love Whedon's prior work but this show has been a mess from day one. Whether this is due to network interference or characters that seem to change every five minutes remains to be seen. Is this a 'story of the week' or true character driven show? Terminator had rock solid episodes with a real purpose. This show has demonstrated absolutely nothing but confusion. For the first time I am probably going to stop watching a genre show.

What does Fox or anyone really expect when the show is placed on Friday nights? Most people go out for the start of the weekend and such. Then again, this whole week I did not even realize that seasons were starting due to, well I did not really see too many promos for the shows that I watch (which is down to I think 4 now).

Sucks cause while not the best show it still is good enough to warrant watching it cause it is not like the other crap the networks have the balls to call entertainment.

Good job Fox! First “Arrested Development”, then “Terminator: TSCC” and now “Dollhouse”… thanks for taking everything I really enjoy off the air due to the network's lack of vision and scheduling.

I find it a bit odd that whilst networks are busily cancelling sci-fi shows in favour of cheaper stuff - probably game shows and reality crap - there is the amount of inter fan bile shown on this page. One show gets cancelled so you're happier if both get cancelled? Even if you don't like Dollshouse personally, the Sci-fi community as a whole is better off with it than without it. TSCC is gone and it ain't coming back, no matter how many trucks you hire. Dancing on DH's grave is a little like the Sci-fi community cutting off it's nose to spite it's face. We'll be poorer without it.

F-bomb, am I the only one who heard it last night? I DVRed it and played it back 10 times for different people and they all heard it. Or am I CRAZZZZY!!!! on a new tv with digital sound no less

thats what happens when you try and put shows like this on Friday night. It doesn;t work. Fans that watch these type of shows are out on the town, playing video games, or working, and they use their DVR's to record and watch later. Quit trying to show stuff like this on Friday night. I've never watched a single tv show that aired on friday nights. I have always used a VCR or DVD to recrod and watch later. Friday night is not for watching TV, it's time to get out of the house and have some fun. Rating like this for shows like this will not change until the dumb ass studio execs get that through their dumb-ass hollywood heads.

I like Eliza and love Joss but this show is still pretty boring. They should have shown Epitaph1 and started from that point and did flash backs to show how it got that way through out the season. This show will be lucky to make it to episode 6 with ratings like these. DVR means nothing to advertisers.

The episode had a bunch of WTF moments, but the story did make sense if one kept watching. Character development was superb, and there were some terrific performances, including the best real acting I've ever seen from Dushku. All in all, I'd put this episode with the best from season one, and hope for even better as it develops. I'm very sorry to see this report on the numbers, especially because my wife and I had no choice but to DVR it and watch it on Saturday. I know there are a lot of ratings that take DVR into account, and I'd like to know why this story was put out without that information.

Come on "FOX" move nights! _OR_ don go by only "LIVE" viewing ratings only! Why do they feel that they can compete on "Friday Night" with a SciFi based show.. you have CBS {Ghost Whisperer / Medium}, CW {Smallville}, SyFy {Stargate}.. all with great SciFi shows all longer running!! I even had to get a third DVR just to try to catch them all at the 8pm(cst) time slot! "FOX" move the show to Wed night as there is not a single 'NEW' SciFi show on that night! {Unless you count the two semi-reality shows on SyFy as SciFi}

I gave the show 6 weeks before I gave up on it. I just didn't find it all that great. the story was too weak. A bunch of hot women isn't enough to get me to watch it. What I find interesting is that SciFi will be airing the much anticipated Stargate Universe on the same day and same time slot as Dollhouse. I'm betting Dollhouse loses even more viewers. Fox placed Dollhouse on the wrong day and time. They did the same with X-Files and more recently TSCC. Dollhouse is going to tank.

Yo fox, I heard you like cancelled shows so we put some bad ratings in your ratings so you can save money while your saving money!

One episode in, a bit confusing at the beginning, with ex-FBI dude jumping from unknown status, to client, then to employee. Obvious editing cuts due to time-constraints. However, great dialog, especially between the 'creator' and 'Whiskey', about her status as a human -- total psychology meets sci-fi time, and pure Whedon. Let's not forget he wrote Toy Story.

Okay, time for the bottom line. Dushku is a very terrible actor. She plays a character who is supposed to take on many different personalities, yet they are all the SAME - trampy and boring - no substance or soul. The ideas behind the Dollhouse are intelligent with so may possibilities, but instead the show centers around Dushku. So sad. The end is inevitable!

Hoping hoping hoping it doesn't go the way of Firefly. Dollhouse has my attention, and my viewership.

This show is why TSCC has so many haters.

People love these actors in dollhouse, and theres people in hollywood who have to work on this show. And yet, it this crappiest, most hardcore failing monstrosity out there. The shame involved, is mind numbing. And everyone wonders why people hate TSCC, which is just totally awesome and never makes mistakes. lol. Pull the plug on this painfull thing, and put TSCC back on. We've seen enough.

Who stays in on a friday night? They need to change the day. Friday night is never a good night.

They'll do the same thing they did to Firefly, cancel a great show they never really gave a chance in the first place.

Why is it Dollhouse vs T:SCC ?? Fox is the enemy here.

Consider mini series every 3 months.Rotate casts of Trek. Next generation,DS9,Voyager.You would get major ratings,sponsers & money on DVD's as well

I hope they give it a chance. There are so many questions to ba answered--I HATE it when they leave the fans 'hanging' like we don't matter at all. Who do they think puts them out there in the first place?

I could never bring myself to watch DH, even though I have absolutely loved Joss Whedon's other shows.
The idea that these women are essentially being raped to provide entertainment for the viewing public just turns me off big-time.
And I never really liked Eliza on Buffy, so there was no draw there either.
I certainly wish Joss success on another show, but not this one.

TSCC curse maybe.

Goodbye...

I was looking foward to this show based on the concept, but never watched it after viewing the first trailer. The execution, not neccessarily the work of Josh Whedon, seemed horribly off. Too slick, too impersonal. And then there's the actors...I'll actually leave that one alone. Needless to say, after the brilliant casting seen in other whedon projects, this one was a let down.

YEP...TSCC was the show worth saving and not Dullhouse! FOX HATES TV Viewers!

I agree that TSCC was a good show and should not have been canceled. But don't hate Dollhouse just because your favorite show got the axe. No, it doesn't look good for Joss Whedon this year, even after his Emmy for Dr. Horrible. The Fox exec's obviously do not watch television or read demographic reports. So, after the all the times that Fox has done something stupid, why do we expect they will change?

I'm disappointed you choose to lead with this headline so soon (trying to be the first to report bad news is very Fox News of you). Surely last year would clue you into the lack of importance in ratings on Fridays. If Fox wanted Dollhouse to be a ratings hit they would have a) moved it to another night and b) advertised the season premiere. On a side note, I liked T:SCC... but after reading how fans are behaving... not so much anymore.

I am really hoping 'Dollhouse' pulls through this, but I already had a bad feeling when Fox did not advertise it *at all* over the summer.

They could have shown Season 1 over again, they could have advertised it on their website, they could have let people know it was coming back.

Even some fans of the show that I know were not aware it had been given a chance to come back for Season 2. Unless you followed the news on the web or knew someone who did, I'm not sure how you were supposed to know to expect more episodes or when to watch the premiere.

"TSCC was the show worth saving and not Dullhouse."

I guess I'm the only person here who thought that BOTH of those shows were dull last season. So far, I feel better about the second season of "Dollhouse" than the second season of "TSCC", which started off good, but quickly eroded away into a snooze-fest. The only thing that kept me watching was Derek Reese. If only they made it more like the movies, which is what I expected, maybe then it would have been worth saving. "TSCC" had it's chance and it blew it. I see a possible DVD movie in its future, but only so they can wrap up the cliffhanger ending (which was a nice twist, by the way, but too little too late).

I'll admit i didn't read through all of these posts, but the recurring comment is about DVR and Hulu not counting. They DO count. But it takes a few days for those results to come in.

I am not surprised at the low ratings of Dollhouse. I'm sorry, but it's not the best of Joss' work. It's not even the 'kinda ok' of his work, imo. I gave it an honest try and ended up turning to homework instead. HOMEWORK!

I am not surprised...not compelling, not fun. I should have been left canceled. I love J but this is not the one!

Enough with the "HOW COULD YOU, SYFY?!" crap. Fun fact: Scifi Wire's role is to promote Syfy shows and other items of general interest to the Scifi/Fantasy/Horror community.

Whining on the blog about SGU going up against Drollhouse (yes, children, that was intended) is beyond asinine. Stargate's had a Friday night presence for the past 7 years. Fox and Dollhouse's crew are doing a mighty fine job of killing the show on their own. Syfy, nor the Scifi Wire blog, are responsible for driving the nail in the coffin. Given the performance thus far, can you honestly say with any certainty that their title for this post is inaccurate?

I tried watching this and I consider myself a Whedon fan, but just not my cup of tea. Nevertheless, I hope it does well, he's a very creative and talented writer and creator.

Dollhouse has gotten better and better. But who watches TV on Friday night? Until ratings account for Hulu, iTunes, and DVR viewing chows for those with active life styles will suffer.

As a huge TSCC fan, the "war" with Dollhouse is silly and counter-productive. Support the few shows we see with meaninglful and productive story-lines rather than inciitng petty rivalries - lest we end up with "all reality, all the time."

Enjoyed Friday's show. Thought it was an improvement on last year and showed great promise. I thought it lacked wide appeal, though. The character stuff was excellent (Whisky & Topher especially), but was there enough of a main story to draw in the more casual viewer? Or those who'd stopped watching and thought they'd give it another try?

Sounds more like people were not interested in tuning in in the first place. If it gets a bit of buzz, maybe ratings will pick up.

Btw, I was a Sarah Connor fan too. I preferred it (and Firefly!) to Dollhouse, but you have to give Fox credit for giving Joss Wheden another go and understanding that they needed to give him more creative freedom. I think they need more praise and less criticism for having faith in a show that has yet to win over a sizeable amount of viewers

I'm a TSCC fan who is boycotting Dollhouse to show Fox my disappointment in their choices. I only watched Dollhouse because it was on after TSCC - and I liked it at first but as the season went on, it became more and more idiotic and the finale was laughable. I just can't watch it anymore. I have better things to do with my time. If TSCC was still on, I might have continued to watch out of laziness.

I didn't see the premiere... son's wedding rehersal.  Hope the show does better over time.  This show - along with TSCC - is better suited to SyFy then any network.  Especially since the normal season for SciFi is 13 weeks (or less).

to "helno" and other complainers...
FOX mad a decission, and we don't have to like it, but to boycott one sci-fi related show because another didn't continue only gives the networks an excuse not to show sci-fi programs at all. We have enought troubles getting scifi on tv without getting crazy with each other. Only until scifi programs are the only thing on tv should we fight with each other to get on program on above another. I have had enough of "who is dancing with the survivor of the deal or no deal american idol"? I really don't care. To me, they are all WWF non-sense. (Like how I cleaned that up and didn't refer to cattle?)

By all means, let's all root for the demise of Dollhouse. Let's prove to the networks that there's no audience for sci-fi programming. Then we can look forward to more talk shows in prime time, ten more procedurals, and more reality shows like "Who wants to marry a fat fifth-grader?' Maybe we can convince SyFy to run wrestling and Ghost Hunters 24/7.

I doubt anyone will read this. Why? LOOK AT ALL THE COMMENTS. Do you think "Brothers" has anyone giving two cents about whether it's canceled or not? Anyway, I also caught it on Hulu. Thought it was good, not great..... except for Amy Acker, whose performances is what keeps a viewer like me interested. I would love to see how they shape the mythos in the next season or two if possible. Wonder if Syfy will pick it up if Fox doesn't? You guys missed the ball on Kings, which would've performed great on this channel.

WShawn, you've shown me the light.

I, and many others, must sit through and support total crap in the hopes that we get something good on network television. Clearly the best way to promote good Scifi/Fantasy/Horror shows is to support the bad ones and hope that the networks understand our motives enough to see that we only watch the bad in the hopes of catching the good.

On the other hand, we could simply support good television in whatever form or genre. Let the few drones out there watch bad TV because Whedon's name is attached to it or because it fits into some genre.

You DO realize you have a choice, right?

Please bring back Firefly.

@thehomegaman

Well, you know what they say. Opinions are like a**holes; everybody's got one.

My opinion is that Dollhouse started off slowly, got better, and shows potential. "Epitaph One" was totally kick-ass. If you disagree, fine. If your choice is to not watch it, fine. But why root for its cancellation? So Dollhouse fails, joining a long string genre shows that couldn't find an audience. At some point the networks will say "frak it," we're going with wall-to-wall reality, and then there are no genre shows, good or bad. No future Lost, Fringe, or Flashforward will likely receive a pilot order. Why risk the investment?

And that's not to say that there aren't excellent non-genre shows on the air. We should support those, too.

Lisa B hit it on the head. The target audience for this show is not watching on Friday nights. Everyone knows Friday night is Dungeons and Dragons night. :)

No clue why this show even got renewed, it wasn't good last season. I think I might just start rewatching BSG on Friday nights. Hoping that something new and good Sci-Fi eventually shows up. Maybe after this Joss Whedon will try to ressurect Firefly again, we can only hope.

@Wshawn

If you're resorting to the Chicken Little defense, there isn't much to say. You're simply exaggerating and putting up some sort of genre Doomsday scenario and cloaking it in the rhetoric of duty to the genre's future on network TV. Get real.

Even among the people who ARE home, Dollhouse just isn't cutting it. People are not interested. I can't think of too many who will suddenly become interested with a proverbial gun at the head of the genre.

The show was clearly mishandled from the start. Instead of letting it die a peaceful death, FOX took a chance with Joss. That gamble has clearly failed. Plenty of genre shows have shown that they can gather the popular and/or critical buzz to succeed. Dollhouse is not one of them.

Know this, however: Dollhouse's much delayed demise will not severely hamper SF/F/H programming in the future. If the concept is solid, well handled, and well received (the trifecta Whedon and FOX utterly missed this time), it will make it and thrive on TV for a few seasons.

I won't put up with something I find uninteresting in the mistaken belief that not doing so will forever damn the next great genre story to network purgatory. If you really feel so strongly, convince people to watch the show on it's own merits, not with apocalyptic prophecies if we don't.

Whedon has no one to blame but himself on this one. The show is too muddled and you just don't build a show around Eliza Dushku. He seems to be the only one who doesn't know she's a bad actress.

You can't slow build a show these days. I agree with others here, you need something like Epitaph One, right out of the gate. Or you at least need a kick ass style, that makes up for the lack of story. That was the problem with TSCC too. It never found its footing until its second season.

I love Dollhouse and thought the first episode of the second season was great! I get really tired of the sour grapes from the TSCC fans though. I enjoyed TSCC too, but I'm not going to moan endlessly about losing it and trying to ruin another Science Fiction show. TSCC fans who keep moaning about TSCC being screwed by FOX need to get a life. Yes it was screwed but don't deride another show just because you're bitter.

I love Dollhouse and thought the first episode of the second season was great! I get really tired of the sour grapes from the TSCC fans though. I enjoyed TSCC too, but I'm not going to moan endlessly about losing it and trying to ruin another Science Fiction show. TSCC fans who keep moaning about TSCC being screwed by FOX need to get a life. Yes it was screwed but don't deride another show just because you're bitter.

First, shame on SciFi Wire for wanting to be the harbinger of doom for Dollhouse -- but then, it's in your best interest to do so for the sake of SGU.

I really liked T:TSCC, but Season 2 devolved into lame romance and the Sarah Connor Cancer sob-story before it got back on track in the last few episodes. That's where T:TSCC lost tons of viewers. I still supported the show, and watched live & online.

I wasn't impressed with Dollhouse when it started out, but knowing that Buffy took time to build too, I supported the show, and watched live & online. Unfortunately, many people jumped ship long before the show started improving. I was rewarded with a show that was vastly improved by season's end. Season 2's opener was far superior to most S1 eps (not the 2-part finale or "Epitaph One"). The plot is going somewhere interesting, and I'm more invested in the characters.

Here's the kicker, I'm willing to watch a show as long as I see improvement. T:TSCC had a great S1 and then stalled losing viewership in S2. Despite the last 2-3 eps getting back on track, I had no desire to rewatch T:TSCC on DVD. Why? Because I was no longer interested in the show enough to invest my time. Plus, Fox deemed the show "dead" and there was no hope of it being picked up elsewhere.

I did, however, rewatch Dollhouse on DVD because it was renewed and that was the only way to see "Epitaph One" (which I thought was brilliant, and gave me even more faith in what DH's future would entail). If Fox kills DH, and there's no hope of it going to another network, I won't be watching the S2 DVDs either, unless there is an extra episode or bonus features that I want to see.

Now assume that I'm a TV exec with 2 under-performing sci-fi shows:
-- One had a great 1st Season (good buzz, but not great ratings), faltered in its 2nd season, failed to generate an audience for the big T:S movie as we hoped, and is very expensive to produce.
-- The other is new, improving, costs less to produce, and the creator has just given me a kick-a** peek at the future of the show simultaneously showing me that he can give the viewer more substance for less $$$ (i.e. willing to produce S2 with a budget cut).

Seriously? You wonder why Fox canceled T:TSCC and not DH? It's all about the $$$ -- program quality means nothing to them. Sadly, the viewers mean nothing in the equation either unless you have a Neilson box, watch online within 3 days (preferably buying the eps where possible), and buy the DVDs. [BTW, I think the overall program quality was equally disappointing for both shows last season.]

Angry T:TSCC fans: If you are upset that you lost your show, you should have organized when viewership was waning, and campaigned like the smart Chuck fans did by supporting one/all of T:TSCC's advertisers (like if y'all went out and bought Dodge trucks/cars and flooded their dealerships/offices with letters saying that's what you're doing -- absurd I know, but I can't remember any other advertisers). Once the show is canceled, your only option is another network stepping in because they see promise in the show and the fans are still rallying.

I heard no rallying. All I heard then and continue to hear is whining and the constant bashing of Dollhouse in order to "support" T:TSCC -- it's counterproductive. Unfortunately, those T:TSCC fans, like myself, who would otherwise join a "save our show" campaign are happier to run away and disassociate ourselves from you, than fight.

Bashing another fandom shoots yourself in the foot -- as does "boycotting" a network out of spite. UNLESS you have a Neilson box, the network doesn't care that you aren't watching. Boycotting other shows on a network only hurts those shows. If a show isn't producing the numbers expected, the network just puts something else in its place until it does. It will get its money one way of another. Your spite, however, negatively affects the creators, writers, actors and production staff working on those shows. If you like a show, support *IT*. If you don't like a show, don't support it, but don't take the low road and publicly bash it for sport either. Constructive criticism can improve a show, bashing and name calling just make you look like a troll.

Did you ever think that those other fandoms might help your cause if they didn't see your fandom in a negative light? Sci-fi fans, in general, are willing to support one another because they usually watch MANY sci-fi shows (likely yours too), except when another show they watch is being targeted out of spite. Then they wash their hands of you.

The best any sci-fi fan can do is to go into all sci-fi shows expecting the best, spread the word if you like the show to bring in new viewers, watch faithfully, buy online eps/DVDs, and rally positively toward the advertisers if the ratings slip.

The real reason that Dollhouse tanked is because it never got any support from Fox. I didn't see any ads letting us know when it was on, no hooplah about it's new Friday night slot, if I hadn't checked the cable listings right after Smallville, I would never have noticed it was on.

Lucky for me, I did, and thus got to see it.

I liked both Smallville and Dollhouse, and am just thankful I don't have to choose between the two. I'm also thankful that there is not another teen-angst vampire show on that I have to avoid. One of those is two too many.

Why do you think it didn't do well? I saw more advertising across all the networks for Dexter, a cable show than any other. Very little was mentioned of the new series being touted and I definitely saw next to nothing on Dollhouse.

Way to advertise a struggling series. You should have just brought back Firefly.

Good ol' Whedonites. If one of his shows tanks, blame the network first and the show (or those behind it) second.

From a business standpoint, the show never should have received a second season. It bombed, FOX paid off its perceived debt to Joss, and it's bombing again.

The Dullhouse hate in the comments here comes from people who clearly could watch the show and help ratings, yet we don't. Believe it or not, many of us are flat out not interested in watching it.

So go on blaming FOX, angry T:SCC fans, and anyone else to avoid placing it squarely where it belongs. I'd tell you where that is, but my time as a non-rabid Whedonite has taught me that you wouldn't admit it unless Joss himself came down and said so.

@thehomeegaman:
Too bad you consistently devolve from making salient points to bashing Whedon fans, because otherwise, others might find your opinion of interest.

You are the one acting childishly by spewing pejoratives.

We get it, you don't like the show, just stop bashing those who do.

If you actually read all of the posts, you'd know that most are either calmly explaining aspects of why they do or don't like the show. Only about 20 (out of 139 to date) express hate toward DH &/or its fans; 3 of those comments are yours.

There is a grand total of 3 strongly-worded (not even hateful) remarks by DH fans toward T:SCC fans -- all are asking them to stop attacking DH fans.

However, several T:SCC fans admitted they haven't watched DH or have only watched 1-2 eps, but they feel justified to comment on a DH article simply because Fox canceled T:SCC.

Don't like the show? We don't expect you to watch, and you're welcome to that opinion. Just as the DH fans are entitled to their opinions: good, bad or indifferent (all expressed above without venom).

I call BS on your last paragraph too. T:SCC fans are also blaming Fox for mishandling their show; it's not just the DH fans. More importantly, not all Whedon fans like Dollhouse (or Buffy, or Angel, or Firefly, or Serenity, or Dr. Horrible). Shockingly, not all DH fans worship all things Whedon.

Truthfully, many Whedon fans freely express their dislike of the show or criticize what they feel isn't working, but they don't feel the need to crucify those with whom they disagree.

I'm curious. As a "non-rabid Whedonite" are you willing to eat crow if DH miraculously succeeds? I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm also not saying that you have to like/watch it if it does. But what if Fox turns out to have made the right decision?

All I really care about is that fans don't s**t on other fans who still are hopeful, no matter how misguided one thinks they might be. It doesn't hurt you one bit to let them hope.

I thought that the first 5 episodes of DH S1 were terrible (especially the pilot). Episode 6 onwards rocked though and Epitaph One was one of the best episodes of any sci fi shows that I've ever seen. If you've not watched these then you've not got a basis to judge the show as a whole. Try renting the DVD. If you still hate it, well, there's no accounting for taste.

I'm a huge T:SCC fan, but the bitter one's don't speak for us all. I like Dollhouse and hope to see more. Fox does suck btw!

To repeat: in fact, they have no idea that the actual viewership for Dollhouse went down, and in fact, the Nielsen ratings were down for Dollhouse (41%), BUT less than the Nielsen ratings for almost ALL of the other shows on Friday night! Law & Order and Smallville, for example, had LARGER drops. And it has been well established that the viewers of FOX and CW are younger, and are far more likely to consume their TV in ways that Nielsen DOES NOT measure. In short, viewership for Dollhouse could be through the roof - they don't know and we certainly don't.

I'll tell you what.If Dollhouse does not sit on the bottom of Friday night ratings on network television for 3 consecutive weeks,I will gladly come here and eat my crow.

No, it doesn't hurt to hope. It also doesn't hurt to keep perspective, however.

@thehomegaman - well, this is week one then. According to TVRatings, Smallville and America's Top model were lower in the network ratings for the night (not including many cable shows), and Brothers *barely* beat it (and is unlikely to do so again because it's really bad). Looking forward to two more weeks.

For the record, I'm sorry about TSCC getting the axe, but this does NOT need to be an either/or situation. BOTH Dollhouse and TSCC have gotten the shaft treatment from Fox. So for TSCC fans I ask that you not lay your frustration at the doorstep of the Dollhouse, but that you aim your anger where it belongs - on the shoulders of the powers that be at Fox.

Tarc, you are on.

When the show gets the axe, however, I can only hope that people will realize that Joss is not the genius Whedonites make him out to be. Alien: Resurrection, anyone?

So I thought that "Vows" was good episode to kick off the season, and I didn't think it was noticeable at all that they had budget cuts. Sometimes when that happens everything starts looking really cheesy, but I thought everything still looked good. However, its discouraging to see that the ratings suffered again. Hopefully this show just slowly picks up steam, but I think Fox has just dropped the ball in promoting this show, and also has it in a bad time slot. Such a shame.

Also, I was really happy that they played the song "The World" by Earlimart at the end of the episode, just as Paul realizes that Echo is remembering more of her past than she should. Great song, and I thought it fit the scene real well, too. I actually posted a video clip of the scene on YouTube, but it got taken down for copyright violations, which is yet another sign that Fox doesn't know what they're doing when it comes to promoting the show - don't they realize that it's good for a show's ratings to have YouTube popularity? Anyway, now it's up on my own blog at : http://modestcomplexity.blogspot.com/2009/09/earlimart-on-dollhouse.html in case you guys want to check it out.

Face it, Dollhouse sucked and Fox pissed us fans off when they cancelled TSCC

Note to Joss:

K.I.S.S.

Keep

It

Simple

Stupid

I loved TSCC, but I also love Dollhouse, it's a great show. Please don't fall for trolls that say they don't watch Dollhouse because Fox canceled TSCC. The one's who really do feel like that, don't speak for us all.