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Sarah Connor fans push for movie follow-up ... using a truck

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Fans of Fox's canceled Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles haven't given up trying to get some kind of continuation going for their show. It looks like they've temporarily abandoned the idea of finding a network to give the series a third season and instead are now pushing for a DVD movie.

In one of the more innovative fan campaigns seen in recent years, they've got themselves a mobile "Bring Back The Sarah Connor Chronicles" billboard that they're driving around Los Angeles to get some attention (which clearly worked, at least in our case). Presumably they make sure it frequently circles the Warner Brothers Studio lot, since WB produced the show.

The truck is part of the well-orchestrated and nicely named "Freaking Big Push" the fans are staging in September and October, which coincides with the release of TSCC season two on DVD on Tuesday. If they can actually help, ahem, drive sales of the show on DVD, our guess is the studio might actually give them their DVD movie.

Good luck, TSCC fans! If you want more info, go here.

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By ryuken at 8:21 PM ON 09/21/09

That is just great! Dedicated and motivated fans, what more can we ask for...heck why not give them what they want...ATTENTION WB studios!

By DarkKnight_S at 8:23 PM ON 09/21/09

I'm proud to say I know one of the people responsible for that billboard and she's a die-hard fighter, nothing could please me more than seeing it get some attention.

By Rico at 8:32 PM ON 09/21/09

I hope this helps gain ground for the show's return in some form. This was one of the best shows fox has had in YEARS, and they cancel it.

Take note, Sci-Fi (I'm not calling it Syfy), grow a brain, ditch the wrasslin' and pick up TSCC!!!

By Birdfuzzluvs at 8:50 PM ON 09/21/09

Bring Sarah Back! TSCC Season 3 on DVD!

By Mario at 8:50 PM ON 09/21/09

Awesomeness! I hope people at WB see it. We need a proper ending to our show!

By vince7 at 8:50 PM ON 09/21/09

We want a full season of TSCC not just a DVD movie.

By Grant at 8:53 PM ON 09/21/09

Fantastic stuff. No fate.

By Innari at 9:24 PM ON 09/21/09

Its so awesome!! Great job TSCC fans.
Hopefully will get a movie, or some network will continue the show. We want it back!!

By reneeccski at 9:43 PM ON 09/21/09

Seeing the pictures of the billboard made me smile all day today. What would make me smile even more is if we got a continuation of the story in a DVD movie or mini-series.

Thank you SyFy for your support! It has been noticed and appreciated by all the TSCC fans, even if it's not practical to move the show to your network.

By Jerry at 9:54 PM ON 09/21/09

That's cool.It's nice to see a picture of the billboard.

By maki_arg at 9:56 PM ON 09/21/09

Good job guys! salvation is on its way!

By RoxyBisquaint at 10:03 PM ON 09/21/09

It's glorious. This fandom rocks. Long live Sarah Connor! Long live The Sarah Connor Chronicles!

By CylonGal at 10:27 PM ON 09/21/09

Oh please. In the words of William Shatner, "Get a Life!" It's only a tv show. I appreciate that there are die hard fans, but the show was cancelled. It's not coming back. Get over it! It's just sad that people wasted their hard earned money on something like this.

By Rico at 10:33 PM ON 09/21/09

CylonGal, do you need a hug?

Jericho was canceled, the fans brought it back for a second season, and there's murmur of a movie down the road.

Family Guy was canceled, the fans brought it back.

Futurama was canceled, the fans brought it back.

Sure it doesn't always work, but there's hope, and if any fan group can get a show back, its TSCC fans!

Don't give up hope TSCC fans!

By Darksly at 11:03 PM ON 09/21/09

so they should bring tscc back it was and is the best show EVER

By zzbickyzz at 11:16 PM ON 09/21/09

Yeah bring back TSCC and cancel Dollhouse.
I guess the FOX knuckle-heads were thinkin sex when they canned TSCC - idiots!!!

By Stormbunny14 at 12:03 AM ON 09/22/09

I so hope we get a 3rd or dvd movie!!! Both if possible :)

No Fate!!!

By T_1001 at 12:20 AM ON 09/22/09

NO FATE BABY! www.savethescc.com

By Thomas Datt at 12:26 AM ON 09/22/09

This is great! One can only dream of more Sarah Connor!

By kite at 12:28 AM ON 09/22/09

TSCC fans rock!
WB, give them 3-d season.
It was one of the best shows for the last years.

By Chris at 2:04 AM ON 09/22/09

That's awesome.
We will keep trying, no matter what !!

Bring back Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles !

By Will at 2:14 AM ON 09/22/09

3rd season please ftw!!! What a great billboard!

By Poopshoot at 2:36 AM ON 09/22/09

No Fate? No Life is more like it. What a waste of money.

By kalapaat at 2:40 AM ON 09/22/09

Let's bring back our show! Together we can do it!

By Gill Avila at 3:33 AM ON 09/22/09

Be nice if FOX let Summer Glau get out of Dollhouse long enough to make a dvd movie.

By Pete at 3:52 AM ON 09/22/09

If there was ever a show that deserved to continue, this is it. Too bad Fox has accountants deciding what gets aired and what doesn't.

Hope those Warner execs are seeing this.

By Koltan at 5:14 AM ON 09/22/09

The Billboard is so Freaking Big and Right Out There!!!

TSCC for 3 seasons more, please. We need the full story!

Viva La Resistance!

By nate91111 at 5:31 AM ON 09/22/09

You all have only yourself to blame ie streaming the show!!!!!!!!!!!

By daget at 7:13 AM ON 09/22/09

i will never get why [obviously just a few thousand on the internet, it did get canceled lol] people are so obsessed with this over rated crap show.

These nerds are just obsessed [unhealthy obsession] with summer galu period

By Clyde at 7:55 AM ON 09/22/09

I will never understand why (obviously just a few; look at the ratio of positive vs. negative comments) people are so obsessed with themselves that they feel the need to spend their time hating on other people's efforts. At least the fans have the excuse of loving their fandom, their community, and pride in what they're done. The haters are just baffling.

I am a proud geek and obsessed not with any one actor but rather the archetypes that the writers skillfully did justice to. Sarah Connor For The Win. The Freaking Big Push and the Resistance roll on.

Thank you for this wonderful article, Sci Fi Wire. Those involved were excited to see people sitting up and noticing this.

By gorehound696 at 7:59 AM ON 09/22/09

I bought my season 2 boxset and am glad to see this.i support this effort and will never watch the hated Dollhouse.
I am also making sure not to buy any FOX DVD or spend money on any FOX products.

Thanks a lot for duming this awesome show.

By Stone at 8:14 AM ON 09/22/09

Why not to DVD movies ala Stargate SG-1 to continue/wrap-up the story line.

By Roger Workman at 9:44 AM ON 09/22/09

The ad truck is not that innovative, Sci Fi Wire, considering the Browncoats did the same thing for Firefly six years ago.

By Estefferson Torres at 9:46 AM ON 09/22/09

A great initiative! I am cooperating with "Freaking Big Push" as i can here from Brazil. And the series could continues as series of DVD movies!

By illogicaljoker at 9:47 AM ON 09/22/09

Really? "Experience the Awesome"? It's confusing enough having the film franchise and the TV franchise; why can't we just let the show die? I'd much rather we fight for something that actually won some awards and acclaim, like "Pushing Daisies."

By GAVAL at 9:48 AM ON 09/22/09

THIRD SEASON. DAMMIT.

By illogicaljoker at 9:54 AM ON 09/22/09

@Clyde -- You wonder why there are haters of the efforts the Sarah Connor Chronicles fanboys are going through to bring back their show? It's because you're *blind* fans: boycotting "Dollhouse" because you're mad at FOX is an idiotic move. Also, for the most part, you're not well-spoken. As I just commented (above), that billboard doesn't even make sense (though the effort is universal). If more people were able to express themselves as lucidly as you (and without multiple exclamation points), we might get behind you.

For the record, though, I *also* hate the show because I watched the second season, and I'd like my time back. What you claim was skillful archetypal was really just a lot of stretched out and padded episodes, none of which had any standout performances or inventive plots: just more of the same, week after week. There's enough of that on TV already, so yes, I'm against efforts that would continue those redundancies.

By Koltan at 10:46 AM ON 09/22/09

@illogicaljoker,
I'm wondering, why not just ignore the fans' efforts of the show, which you don't like? Spend your time in more effective way. For example, you can buy TSCC season 2 on DVD and Blu-ray, which has been released today. Then you can present these discs to your friends, who like the show (I'm 100% sure many of them do). They will be very pleased and thankful to you. Thus, using the same amount of time, and a hated show, you will earn a good attitude towards your person instead of the bad one, you earn trolling here.

By ItsanAlias at 11:05 AM ON 09/22/09

Great effort by TSCC fans, hopefully we can garner some attention and actually get something done. Loved the series, great acting, stories and awesome effects. The show obviously deserves another season but any type of continuation of the series would be greatly appreciated.

By illogicaljoker at 11:17 AM ON 09/22/09

@ Koltan, that's the thing. This isn't trolling. This is having an opinion different than yours. Supposedly, this is a news-based site, which means that responses are sought from both sides. I'm doing my part to represent the other side, which often winds up looking like a minority *because* we don't often feel as strongly about something we don't care about as those who do.

In this case, however (as I stated above), I do feel strongly about my desire to push for better programming, and part of that comes from seeing that shows like TSCC don't take up resources that could be better spent developing *new* work. It's a voice worth hearing, too: it's not that I don't like sci-fi shows, and I'm not a lone hater. I just preferred the sparse elegance of "Jeremiah" to "Jericho," and I don't want to be one of those shunned fans who ends up settling for a third-rung show after being twice-burned with earlier, beloved shows.

I'm also just pointing out--positive criticism--that the ad campaign might want to get more creative, in a way that those other shows that were saved by fans did. (Mass-mailings of things related to the show, not vague drive-bys with uninspiring slogans.) To go one step further, arguments might be more compelling if you didn't premise them with statements like "obviously the show deserves another season." If it were obvious (that means to everyone, not just to you), it would still be on TV.

By dinobot_kworker at 11:20 AM ON 09/22/09

This was a unique series on TV. The writers outdid themselves and the Stars rose to the challenge. It's disappointing that a drama with so much heart and excitement in the moden age was cancelled. We want more! T:SCC

By kizer at 11:38 AM ON 09/22/09

I for one will admit I was not a fan of the show. I only watched one episode and being a true Terminator fan did not see a reason since well it was a lame effort in my eyes

Now before anybody gets all excited about what I said up above. That was just my opinion of the show and I can with out a doubt say I've never bad mouthed the show on the net simply because there are fans of the show and they should be able to be fans without some ass telling them they are wrong. I dug BattleStar Galactica and I liked Jericho so in some eyes I have my faults as well. =)

However I will without a doubt say that truck Billboard is awesome. Sure some of the executives will just think its some crack pot with a billboard, but who cares as long as it gets attention and obviously it has.

By Richard S. Drake at 11:47 AM ON 09/22/09

Fans have a right to expect that a series they have watched and invested time in should be allowed to reach SOME sort of conclusion. The "It's only a TV series" line almost sounds like it could be snarled by some Snidely Whiplash network exec.
Even if a show is leaves the air, allowing it to reach a logical conclusion is a mark of respect to the viewers - who may not invest time watching the next series a network has to offer.
Those who mock their efforts just sort of play the networks' game.

By Richard S. Drake at 11:50 AM ON 09/22/09

Fans have a right to expect that a series they have watched and invested time in should be allowed to reach SOME sort of conclusion. The "It's only a TV series" line almost sounds like it could be snarled by some Snidely Whiplash network exec.
Even if a show is leaves the air, allowing it to reach a logical conclusion is a mark of respect to the viewers - who may not invest time watching the next series a network has to offer.
Those who mock their efforts just sort of play the networks' game.

By illogicaljoker at 12:01 PM ON 09/22/09

@Richard, just to be clear, the network isn't preventing the show from reaching a logical conclusion. Joss Whedon has gone about wrapping up Angel and Firefly by way of comic books, as has Rockne O'Bannon, with Farscape. If the creators of TSCC want to "finish" their story (assuming they actually *had* a logical conclusion in mind, which their unevenness seems to imply they didn't have, much like Lost Season 3), they can always--as a last resort--simply blog the plot points to the SaveTheSCC.com website, or do a tell-all at a convention.

I agree that simply saying "It's only a TV series" is dismissive, reductive, and yes, mustache-twirling. But blaming the network alone? And taking things out, not on the network, but on *other* creators who happen to be trying to make a go of it on that network? That's the real Snidely move.

By Allison&Jack at 12:41 PM ON 09/22/09

lol Gotta love the cult genre fans.

Man, after watching the EXCELLENT Dollhouse:Epitaph One, I now understand why FOX picked Dollhouse over SCC, though at the time I was a much bigger fan of SCC. But if Dollhouse continues to go in the direction of Epitaph One, then it would be a shame to see it cut short just like it was a shame to see SCC cut short. I wish there was a way both shows could stay on the air.

Epitaph One is the show Dollhouse should have been from the start. Perhaps both shows would have done better on Friday night if it had been.

By 3456 at 2:19 PM ON 09/22/09

I miss this show a lot, but in my mind I just
accepted its cancellation, granted, I do not
agree with the cancellation one bit. It would
be VERY nice if Syfy picked it up for new
episodes...ok, I will stop dreaming.

By Will at 2:23 PM ON 09/22/09

@illogicaljoker The episodes where not much happens are the ones you wind up enjoying the most, because they force you to pay attention to your characters more. It sounds like you are complaining because you didn't or refuse to get it. Why don't you go back to watching "Lost" a show which can only tell you about characters through flashbacks. This show hits well above the mark, and lives up to the standards of an established franchise. It has excelled under countless limitations that an established franchise presents, and yet it continued to flourish and invent all the way to the final episode, in a believable way. Examples, Weaver, Ellison, Cromartie, Derek, Riley, all these characters challenged the way we think about the Terminator universe. As did the episodes where seemingly not much was going on, we learned who Sarah is. That she really is crazy, and maybe thats ok, because she's still a great fighter.


@IllogicalJoker Why don't you take your opinion, and your Kanye West Mentality, and shove it.

By a05g at 2:44 PM ON 09/22/09

Give up the idea of a third season? NO WAY!!

GIVE US SEASON 3!!!

Tscc deserves it !

By illogicaljoker at 3:04 PM ON 09/22/09

@Will, do you know what a Kanye West mentality is? I'm not interrupting anything, I'm not cursing, and I'm making a coherent argument as to why T:SCC should not continue. That's nothing against the fans, though personally, against you, realize that you'd make a much more cogent argument against not just me by the studio you are attempting to convince if you didn't simply block out what you didn't want to hear. "Shove it" indeed.

I'm not saying Lost is a terrific show. I would say that Battlestar Galactic (the new version) was a terrific show. (That's the standard I hold for character development in a SCI-FI show.) I would say that Farscape had better development. I would even say that Stargate Atlantis, which often bored me, had better development.

"Challenged the way we think about the Terminator universe"? Really? How so?

By kirirur at 3:22 PM ON 09/22/09

This billboard is simply amazing!

By Hercules40 at 3:39 PM ON 09/22/09

Admittedly, I have not watched Dollhouse: Epitaph. At the same time, the reason Network Executives picked Dollhouse over TSCC is because of the sex. It's as simple as that. SEX and SEX APPEAL sell. And especially Fox Network Executives WILL pander to the lowest common denominator. There is very little chance of TSCC (one of my all time favorite shows) returning, especially since the title character, Lena Headey has moved on:

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/09/game-of-thrones-hbo-.html

So, we can only dream on as to how good TSCC could have been, before the Fox Entertainment Network decided to cancel it.

By illogicaljoker at 3:50 PM ON 09/22/09

Hercules, you bring up two excellent points that emphasize just what I'm talking about.

1) Thanks to T:SCC being shut down, Lena Hedley is free to do "Game of Thrones," which--while it may suck as an adaptation--at least has the opportunity to be a much, much stronger show. (Martin's world is a little bit better defined and developed than Terminator's vagaries.)

2) If you haven't seen Dollhouse, then how can you claim that FOX chose it for sex appeal? (And how can you say that T:SCC didn't take the exact same route?) More humorous than that is the idea that Dollhouse is "pandering"--I'm glad you were candid about not having seen the show (and believe me, it has its flaws), but the reason it's struggling in the ratings is because the ethical questions it struggles with are *not* for the lowest common denominator. The trick for Season 2 will be to see if Joss is able to retain the intelligence of the show *without* turning it into cheap pulp (like those misguided Grindhouse advertisements for it.)

PS. This has been said before, but if after two seasons--39 episodes--you're still having to *dream* about how good TSS "could" have been, then didn't something go wrong?

By Hercules40 at 4:02 PM ON 09/22/09

You are misstating what I said:

I did not watch, "Dollhouse:Epitaph".

I've seen every other Dollhouse episode. I maintain. SEX Sells. Specifically anything developed by Joss Whedon. Yes, previous series as well.

TSCC on the other hand had a real continuing story. That's the problem in today's society, most adults have difficulties following a well developed story-line. TSCC was well crafted, and was appropriately correcting many of the Errors of the third Terminator movie. What I am talking about is the promise of where the cliff-hanger of the season ending episode left us. I am not dreaming. I know, how good it could have been, because IT WAS. No contest.

The network executives were short sighted.

As for Lena Heady, she is a great actress. A lot of people are saying she won't pull-off that role, but I plan on subscribing to HBO next year to watch "A Song of Ice and Fire" if HBO picks-up that series, and then I won't give a f*** about Dollhouse or SyFylis Channel. Now, that's going to be adult entertainment if done right.

By Will at 4:08 PM ON 09/22/09

@IllogicalJoker this article is not a debate. It is a rally point for people interested in the show. And a place where people can congratulate each other on accomplishments. Why don't you just sit back and let the facts speak for themselves. The picture looks good, the billboard looks good, and the fans are happy. Stop it with your spot-light stealing BS and go find out what your own favorite shows are doing elsewhere. Because obviously this show does not concern you.

By the way, I took that pic, and to me, what you are doing, looks exactly like what Kanye did to Taylor Swift. I only wanted to make a small comment and be happy with that and the pic, and you have forced me to defend my actions and show that i love with your lame hair brained accusations. Get a life.

Yes, BSG was awesome. But that does not make you Admiral Adama, and it certainly does not make TSCC the Cyclons. Get over yourself, ok, this show is not BSG, it is alot different. Some ways its superior, some ways it is actually inferior, but it is definitely on par with that show.

And finally I must say, it is no surprise that you are some sort of Adama fan, because like him, you seem capable of reducing yourself to a babbling drunk making wild accusations at the end of your run. Even if they seem logical to you, we are not cyclons, we are the resistance, and our show deserves more exposure. It took it's time with character development, and did not rush plot twists, in return, it should be rewarded a longer run to hash out the arc. Of course, you do not get that because you are a BSG nut of some kind

By Koltan at 4:22 PM ON 09/22/09

@illogicaljoker,
I can't consider you as a representative of those having alternate point of view. First, because you haven't watched the show from the start (it's needed to get into it). Second, because you watched the second season only one episode per week (it makes it much harder to track and compose the mosaic of the story). And third, because it seems, that your impression about the show is mostly consists of not living up to your expectations. Most people expect, that TSCC is similar to movies, packed with robots and action. But the show goes its own way, and it contains much more story and relations, and less action and effects than movies. I would recommend you to watch it from the very beginning, trying to get to the deeper level of perception. After that you will be ready for the constructive discussion.

The show itself is very well written (it has number of good responses from critics) and very well acted (Summer had won Saturn for it). It had brought a lot of technical and intellectual innovations into Terminator franchise. Of course, TSCC is not perfect (there are stains even on the sun). It's just excellent, amazing and incredible.

Most viewers can find something interesting for themselves in TSCC. As for me, I'm very interested in possible human/machine relations. I like very much movies "Artificial Intelligence" and "I, Robot". TSCC is closer to these movies that to well-known Terminator movies. The arc of Catherine Weaver and John Henry is absolutely great. I've always dreamt to see, how AI can be created from the scratch and learned to grow into something self-aware. I also like how Cameron tries to adopt in the human society.
Well, I can talk about TSCC for the infinite time, so I better stop now :) Just the last words. I advise everybody to watch the show, not comparing it to T1-T2 movies. It has its very own, different way of greatness, being the priceless addition to the movies, not just their copy. And if you get into it, you will finally understand, why there are so many people ready to put money, time and efforts into saving it.

By illogical at 4:37 PM ON 09/22/09

@Koltan, I actually watched about 18 episodes in a row on Hulu, toward the end of its run, because I was curious as to whether it was a good show or not. I don't think I've said yet that it was a *bad* show--I said that *I* hated it because it stretched out things and didn't do anything interesting with its archetypes.

The larger point I've tried to make, and forgive me if that's somehow made me seem like a BSG nut, is that T:SCC had plenty of opportunities to deal with *big* issues, and never really did. It was too *close* to the movies for me--and that's what slowed it down.

I'm glad that you were moved by the possibilities the show awoke in you--that is, to see how AI can grow self-aware. For me, I've seen that idea done over and over and over again, and there just wasn't enough *new* in the show for me. And that's what I'm glad about: that with T:SCC gone now, something else will be coming.

Characters are one thing, but I'd rather have Fringe Season 2 than X-Files Season 17; sometimes there just aren't original ways to tell a certain story any more.

@Hercules, your original statement was ambiguous; sorry I misread it. But we're in agreement, I think. Screw all the other shows: Fire & Ice would be *real* entertainment, if done right.

@Will, unlike Herc and Koltan, who actually made points and supported their opinions, all you can really do is accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of being. If this photo were up on the SCC.com site, I wouldn't be commenting on it; I'm doing so here because this article is filed under "news." Go rally somewhere else.

PS. I think you meant to compare me to Perez HIlton, not Kanye West. You aren't on stage here, there's no spotlight on you that I can steal.

By m_33 at 4:56 PM ON 09/22/09

Nice billboard :)
Freaking big, and colorfull !

Sure it will be noticed, it will remind people how T:SCC is awesome, and that you can get S2 DVD now...

By Koltan at 4:58 PM ON 09/22/09

@Allison&Jack,

FOX picked Dollhouse because its very cheap and produced by Fox. With similar to TSCC ratings they will earn more money with it. Fox never bothered about the quality of the product. Joss Whedon (the creator of Dollhouse) said in interview, that if he was to decide which show to pick up, he would have chosen TSCC. Can you believe that?!

The funny thing about Epitaph One, is that fans of Dollhouse didn't like it. They say, that it's become dark as Terminator :D
I guess, Joss likes TSCC so much, that he decided to turn his Dollhouse into it. Now in DH there are resistance fighters who kill all electronics. There are programmed through telephones killers (like terminator machines). And there is an apocalyptic future :))) There was only one component missing to turn DH into TSCC.... and now Joss has this component - Summer Glau!!! ;))))

By Koltan at 5:41 PM ON 09/22/09

@illogical,

I'm sure, that if we could get all 5 seasons of TSCC as it was planned, you would find there everything you wanted to find, with all of opportunities used and deals with *big* issues. Josh Friedman seems to like to tell the story by small pieces, not opening all cards, he has, at once. Unfortunately, Fox wasn't patient enough and axed the show. And now many of us, TSCC fans, starving to get the missing parts of the story mosaic. And we're very serious about getting them.

As for learning AI. Maybe I missed something, but can you tell me, where else have you seen a supercomputer cluster connected to the human-imitating robotized body with a thick cable? And where it was made to let AI better develop its motoric functions and where this whole thin was painting animal figures and choosing the eyes color? And being connected to the Internet? And singing the song with a kid? And having a psychologist being called to it?
If this is not new, I just can't get, what else new you would like to see in the modern television, when everything, that possible, was already written and showed.

By Will at 5:50 PM ON 09/22/09

@illogical you don't get it. I have a liberal arts degree from an a credited UC, I am pretty sure I could defend the show in the manner that you yearn for.
However, that is not the point of the article. The article is obviously meant to be a small informative piece.

Let it suffice for me to say that I am a subscriber of Google News, and have "Sarah Connor Chronicles" as a newsfeed.
So most days for the past week I've been able to read on average two reviews a day for the new Season 2 DVD

And guess what.

Every single article said the same thing.

They are sorry it has been canceled, and were very impressed with the quality of the DVD and it's extra's.

@illogical I don't have to defend the show, it is not my job.
@illogical You are a Kanye West-Like Spastic troll who can do nothing but beg people to define this show because you probably blacked out from drinking while watching this show on your bad internet connection via hulu during your hardcore marathon that was probobly interupted by your dog urinating on your leg.

We know why we fight, we are the resistance!

@theresitance Take back the future!!!

By illogical at 6:03 PM ON 09/22/09

@Koltan, I don't trust that Friedman actually had five seasons mapped out in his head, and certainly not without needlessly stretching his story. Valuable lesson learned. Develop faster.

As for the development of an AI, well, there's the film "AI," the show "Battlestar Galactica," and I'm *sure* more (at the least, "The Outer Limits"). Whether it's ever been shown with those specific examples (painting, singing), is beside the point.

The "big" issue I talk about is whether or not that ever changed our perception of SkyNet. Knowing that perhaps computers are in the right to completely exterminate us (sort of glossed over in "I, Robot"), that's the issue that we didn't touch on.

As for "everything possible was already written and shown," well, that's just not true. That's just the networks tricking us into settling. "Firefly" was newish. "Virtuality" showed promise. "Dollhouse" has a neat concept, though it is bogged down by some of the episodic mistakes of the past. And as I said before, "Battlestar" was pretty much unlike anything before it. Heck, even "Reaper" was new.

There are plenty of *new* concepts (heck, even "Flash Forward" is new). Barring that, at least choose to adapt material that hasn't really been depicted on TV that way before: "Deadwood" was the starkest Western ever developed; if the George R. R. Martin adaptation comes even close to being that dark of a show (and not just another "Legend of the Seeker/Merlin"), that'll be new, too.

@Will . . . Look up the word "obstinate." I'm not attacking the show. And I'm not asking/looking for a definition. I'm explaining why I'm glad that T:SCC is done, and I'm hoping that we'll move on to something new, and better. Bear in mind: those who are going to comment on the purchase of a TV DVD are most likely those who share the opinion of yourself. Those like me, who have no interest in supporting the series, aren't going to bother posting negative reviews. Leave that to the critics.

By Koltan at 7:38 PM ON 09/22/09

@illogical,

There is nothing "new" on TV. Almost everything, what we watch now, appears as old as Earth after doing a little research. We can talk only about some "new" form of the old content. This is why I can't accept your arguments about TSCC having nothing new. Personally I find TSCC having quite a progressive way of presenting its content to us.

This is why I asked you about AI. The idea of creating AI by humans is very old. But the way it was showed in TSCC is the most thorough and illustrative that I ever seen. There is no anything similar in any other movies or shows, including BSG.

So, it seem to me, that our discussion is just a debate about tastes. You didn't like the part of the show, you've seen, and formed your opinion based on the first shallow subjective impression which has not matched with your taste. I can understand that. Many people act like this also.
What I don't like, is that, you, based on your very own subjective opinion, write in these comments, that you hate the show and it should be left cancelled. I don't get such a behavior. When I don't like the show, I stop watching it or give away my disc to somebody who likes it, and just forget about its existence. I don't waste my time for hating it or for bringing the "truth" to its fans. Especially, if the show was already cancelled and never return to Fox again. The time slot is empty and Fox will gladly give you the great and smart reality show or sitcom instead of TSCC. So, we returned from what we've started, you are just trolling here, man.

By vlarg at 7:59 PM ON 09/22/09

We gave away a mess of their stickers at comic-con.

By illogicaljoker at 1:45 AM ON 09/23/09

@Koltan, do you really think that just saying things makes them true? I'd hardly call watching the entire second season makes my impression "shallow," though I agree that it's subjective. The difference between us is that you present subjectivity as fact, when you claim that there can be nothing new. (I don't even know what that means.)

I agreed, too (in the post above) that T:SCC found a different way to show how AI was created--from chess to interactions with humans: baby steps. I'm not sure I agree, though, that that was enough to sustain 19 hours of television.

I'm sorry that after all this, you still find me to be nothing more than a troll. I'm not trying to convert anyone (what'd be the point?), I'm merely stating an opinion that (to bring us back to the beginning) simply happens to be different from yours.

By tony0781 at 6:50 AM ON 09/23/09

YES! Great job guys!

WE NEED TO KEEP PUSHING NO MATTER WHAT!

By ashman01FAN at 7:28 AM ON 09/23/09

No use in babbling back and forth with this @illogicaljoker guy. Don't waste your keystrokes on him TSCC fans...get over and help with the freaking big push. Don't give this guy your time of day! Keep it up! More TSCC!

By DarkWarrior at 9:55 AM ON 09/23/09

I can,t wait to see where they are going to take this.
The final episode was awesome.
A Mean Ass Hanger,just got to find out why Summer & Mansons characters did what they did & how Conner will return to the timeline to be there for judgement day.

By spear401 at 11:13 AM ON 09/23/09

Terminator: Sarah Connors Chronicles has the best, most dedicated fans in the 'verse!

TSCC Rules!!

By spear401 at 11:15 AM ON 09/23/09

Yikes, typo! That should be "Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles".

TSCC Rules!!

By Antferrara at 2:20 PM ON 09/23/09

Save the Sarah Conner Chronicles!!!!!!!!!!!! Great show! Better than all that so called "reality" drivel on TV today!!!

By Jer at 6:37 PM ON 09/23/09

Gave up on it halfway through season 2, out of boredome. Wasn't upset by the cancellation.

By Justin1 at 6:56 PM ON 09/23/09

Bring back The Sarah Connor Chronicles! =)

By john connor at 4:15 AM ON 09/24/09

All I want to say is TSCC is the only show with a mobile billboard drivin around L.A.
I think it is great, and the show will rise again!

By Koltan at 5:20 AM ON 09/24/09

@Jer, episodes 17-22 are very different from the middle of the season. You've missed the most intensive events.

By tunnel rat at 1:55 PM ON 09/25/09

It would be so great if they brought the show back. it was a thousand times better than all the new shows this season. quality entertainment rules

By lwolf116 at 11:07 PM ON 09/26/09

BRING BACK SARAH CONNER CHRONICLES

By Lisa at 3:06 PM ON 09/28/09

How did this not get picked up? Everyone loves Terminator!! Don't worry - they'll be back!!

By Vulcan219 at 11:39 AM ON 10/01/09

We at the Save the SCC.com were pushing for more people to buy the Seasn 2 DVD's and Blu-Rays to promote the show to bring it back for a season 3, but if we get a direct to DVD movie, then we will settle for that too. But we really want the series back.

By Vulcan219 at 12:53 PM ON 10/01/09

@illogicaljoker,

I can agree that the TSCC fans and you, do have a difference in opinions on the shows you like and what we like, it is the same with books, you may not like the same type of books I like, and the opinions are just that opinions, because the fans for the TSCC feel so passionate about their show, you shouldn't have to feel the need for the negativity to the show, or us to you, after all we have, each our own opinions, and they are different, which is fine.

But to me, personally, FOX has a history for canceling shows that would have been good for them, for example, when FOX got Stargate SG1 from Showtime, they planned to make a series out of it, but they failed to see what the producers and writers were trying to do with the show and FOX did as with TSCC on the show and put it in bad time slots, and ultimately killed the show, but Sci Fi now Sy Fy took the show and ran with it and let the producers and writers do their own thing and the show flourished, somehow and somewhere I bet FOX thought that they should have thought to do the same thing, and had the hit on their network.

The thing is we are all dealing with speculation here and what if's.

But we the fans for our show are showing our hearts to the show and its cast and crew, and showing our support for the show, I speak for more than the Save the SCC.com, I am also part of the Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles official wiki that FOX had, and we are now basically a separate entity now. We all are passionate to our show, all we ask is to just respect that. I also like BSG and Doll House, but haven't watched Doll House since our campaign, same with Fringe, another show I like, but I am also a loyal fan of TSCC, and I am supporting that, if fans of shows do not stand up for our shows who will, even the actors and writer/ creator has shown their support for our efforts, from the Save the SCC and the TSCC wiki. But please don't insult us, because I won't insult, I just ask for the same respect, I see you are trying to show a good argument for your opinions, that is all the others here are trying to do as well, even though some do get overzealous on it.

All I ask is if we can all stop bickering each way about these issues, and for those who don't agree with us, to at least let us have our time to support our cause, and we not argue with the ones who don't agree with us, because that is counter productive to our goals. To get the show back and the cast and crew back. I do thank all for their support and constructive criticisms though.

By Nat at 11:09 AM ON 10/05/09

I want to see more!! TSCC was the BEST SHOW for the last two years and it's unbelieveable that it was cancelled. The characters were so well cast, the plot was imaginative and intelligent, I couldn't have asked more. I have NO IDEA why more people wouldn't watch this, I guess the average IQ of people is hovering around 100 so they have no idea how to interpret the plot..

By Mandos at 4:33 PM ON 10/06/09

MY LIFE FOR JOHN CONNOR!

By MonsoonRush at 11:18 PM ON 12/12/09

@ Original Poster - Thanks for the article... I would have missed out on savethescc.com were it not for the links and whatnot due to my own lethargy

@illogical et all -

Well IJ, you definitely do make some valid points. I will start by saying I -DO- love the SCC, and am truly dismayed to see it go. I am not going to disparage your opinion and make sophomoric remarks. I am an unrepentant snob, and I too demand a higher quality of television in general and streamline my intake accordingly. IF Game of Thrones is implemented right, it could be very very good. However, they WILL "Legend of the Seeker" it. It is inevitable. For similar (not the same) reasons as why you did not like SCC. The average American Viewer's attention span is that of a mayfly at best. And Networks will always seek to pander to the lowest common denominator (that's not you, clearly, so don't take it as such. Even if I disagree your arguments are cogent and well constructed, we just differ on opinion, albeit cordially).

I think that if SCC was allowed to build in the direction it was going then we would have had a delightfully deep infrastructure for all the "slow start" (if you wish to view it as such) as that. I think they were hampered due to not wanting to play too freely with Salvation's "continuity", which is a damned shame. If McG and the writers had coordinated the fourth movie could have been much, much better for it. Not so much a collaboration, just a couple of easter eggs and a different spin on the plot.

The Freethinking AI's allying to help sabotage the first Skynet base that the Resistance conquers, or something to that effect. But, I digress.

I LOVE the fan enthusiasm. And I am sorry, but with all due respect, you should expect with a "wet blanket" deferring opinion for some to react like you've pissed in their cheerios with a negative attitude. Bear with me, mind you ... I GET that you feel put upon by all the attention going to support something you feel was mediocre. But can't you see that these outcries are fighting an uphill battle?

If it works, great! "we" succeeded. If not, YAY ... a community has grown up out of the shared love of something.

One might recall that the 2003-on Battlestar Reimagining came about by just such measures as these. Consider that ... perhaps by 2020 we will see a profound revival and drastically expanded continuation or "spin" on SCC because of efforts like these.

"It's happened before, and will happen again" :-P

And you others ... Yeah I know, IllogicalJoker has painted a bullseye on (him? her? It? Shouldn't matter)-self but try and avoid the cheap shots and keep it clean, huh? If you react with murderous rage and flames, you will only justify some network nitwit cruising this board in generalizing SCC fans as raving lunatics. That's how the generaliztion game goes ...

*slam dunks his dollar-fifty in a two-cent receptacle and walks*


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