these movies are fun, but the best two are still 1 and 2. 1 because it's so simple yet you never knew what to expect from the unkillable hunter. 2 because the effects were used to create an unstoppable villain. 3 lacked because the villain was a step up, but wasn't used as a step up. While she could shoot, she wasn't half as dangerous as the shape-shifting stab-you up-close-and-personal T-1000.

4. Concentrated too much on a rescue mission rather than the actual war.

There seems to be a lot of bankruptcy going on with people who own the Terminator rights. Could it possibly be due to the fact that the last two films were TOTAL CRAP and that the franchise has also produced an unsuccessful TV series that got axed within a year?

Perhaps.

Well a lot of people liked TSCC including me and it ran two seasons and was shaping up for a kickass third when fox pulled the plug. But maybe there is a bankruptcy curse on the whole thing.

i dont think 3 or 4 were crap, but they were not half as good as 1 or 2 of course!

@ks alot of people liked the tv series?? that is def a stretch to say. show was ok at best, and most nerds only like it because they are obsessed with summer glau cuz shes "nice" or "so cute" to them.

They had bad writers and bad directors. Even in the early 80's when the first one came out people were laughing at it. The only thing it had going for it at the time was Arnold/ some FX/ and a serial killer plot set in a future time.
Along comes T2 and the rules have changed. It was a box office sensation.
Next was the awful T3 that mad me lose all respect for the franchise.
Then, the series... Okay, the idea was sound and the plot was sort of going somewhere but it took too long to get to the good parts. They were trying to make it into something that they could not. They wanted it to last as long as a soap opera and be as cool as the movie. They can't have both. The exception to that could be the other way around though. Start with a hit TV show, like LOST or HEROES and then make a feature length film. It worked for South Park. Right? Anyway, the ownership is like that of the Dallas Cowboys, it would be great if they had an owner with money and vision. The problem with the Cowboys is the owner, everyone here agrees. You may disagree, but try living here and talking about it. I digress. The Terminator is cursed to put it plainly. Until some prince owns it and turns it right-side-up.

I know a lot of folks who loved the show, myself and my wife included. It was becoming something much deeper and darker than you normally see on tv (BSG excluded). A pity it was cancelled.

"@ks alot of people liked the tv series?? that is def a stretch to say. show was ok at best, and most nerds only like it because they are obsessed with summer glau cuz shes "nice" or "so cute" to them."

TSCC was awesome and not just because Summer Glau looks fantastic and is nice to people.. In that case Dollhouse would also be amazing..

'who eached owned a 50% stake.'

I'd wrote better England since I were a children.

ETII.. I laugheded out loud. I no were you are coming from.

And I am sorry people, but I would much rather watch T3 than T2 as that damnable Edward Furlong ruined the movie. I cannot bear to watch it as a result of his 'acting.'

I enjoyed TSCC and am pissed off that it was cancelled and ended in a cliffhanger.And how many times have i been burned in my over 50 years of watching TV ???

I now have decided to stay away from most new shows as they will only get cancelled and to tell the truth I have lots of books, music, and a night life to bother with US TV.

I'm not worried about another sequel so much as I am about yet another crappy "reboot" of a classic

I'm also much more concerned about a crappy reboot. After the complete and utter stupidity of Star Trek, I want no "reboots" anything ever (unless it's Batman Begins).

Maybe this is actually a good thing as scifi pointsa out Mario Kassar and Andrew Vajna's Carolco Pictures owned the rights to the Terminator franchise during episode 3 and 4 well they weren't entirely that bad but they could have been better. But maybe the franchise having a different set of owners perhaps 5 and 6 will be better movies. Maybe this is exactely what the Terminator saga needs. Someone different to call the shots maybe to prevent a director from putting crap in the movies. Unless of course someone who hates Terminator buys the right and makes sure there is never another movie again, that would indeed suck, but who's gonna waste the movie buying something they'd never use.

Maybe now we'll get someone to pull the plug on McG's idea of having a time-traveling John Connor. McG fired and some new better director taking the position.

well the main thing is most people did not want to see anything after part 2 so whatever they make people wont care about, especailly with no arnie. I know 4 had some dumb ideas but marcus was pretty cool

TSCC was better than T-4
the story for T-4 was selected by the 2 owners who are now bankrupt. the story was bad so cant blame it all on mcg, although he isnt ready to direct this type of film.
If they keep the rights john will travel to the present and the war will be in the present day. In some ways they plan to copy TSCC.

Bring back The Sarah Connor Chronicles!!!!

I saw the first Terminator on Holloween 1984. I was 17. That movie is a good now as it was then. It was not just a cult classic, but made Arnold a Movie Icon as well. T2 was good, but it was just continuation of story. Other than the cool liquid metal special effects, it was not better than the original movie.

what they should do know in stead of making more movies. using what happened in salvation continue the story of john connor and the human resistence in a new tv futurist war type series.

Much like TS3 I'd rather just forget Salvation ever even existed. Frankly this franchise is WEAK compared to what it use to be, and compared to what other franchises using the same theme of machines enslaving humans and destroying our society.

TTSC had it right, that was the right direction for the franchise to go, to bad it was cut short. Now I'm just moving onto better machine vs humans franchises like nuBSG and the upcoming Galactica movie.. But I'll always have the first two T movies as well as TTSC to remember fondly. But yeah, death to all things terminator that involve McG, Christian Bale, and whomever was responsible for that travesty of a story.

TTSC didn't have anything right. All it did was spit on the franchise by making the characters weak.

First we had Sarah Connor who became a hardcore badass by T2, but TSCC made Sarah Connor weak by demoting her into a drama queen.

John Connor was actually stepping up and realizing that Judgement day is here and he needs to be the leader for humanity's sake by the end of T3, but in TSCC John did nothing but whine and cry cause he wanted a "normal" life to be dull just like any other boring life of a teenager.

So I'm not too entirely sure where you people are getting this idea of TSCC getting anything right....

T4 was weak in storywise but the characters in it were pretty sincere and to the point. John Connor was busy affirming himself as the leader of the resistance while at the same pace attempting a rescue mission on Kyle Reese. He wasn't whining about fighting the machines or anything if anything he pretty much took the scenarios he was put in (figuring out if he could trust a machine, rescue Kyle before Ashdown blew up the facility) and played them off perfectly.

T5 should be made, but fire McG and hire Johnathan Nolan for the full script.

Every movie has the potential to be a good movie as long as you get the right people to make them.