Interesting clip, I wonder where it should have been placed in the film.

they shouldnt have ridges
maybe they didnt want to be seen without them!
just because the timeline was changed in the "kirk" era
that should not prevent them from overcoming the "klingon augment retro-virus'
75 to 90% of klingon citizens should be classic looking( dirty and with terrible beards)!!!

I do love how it was addressed in Deep Space Nine....classic Worf attitude..

@blahblah - you have it backwards. Most Klingons DO have ridges, the ones without were the result of the virus.

"The Klingon High Council fears that Starfleet was developing armies of Augments; after gaining access to genetic material from the Augments, the Klingons perform experiments to increase their own intellect and strength. The experiments turn disastrous when a strain of flu one of the test subjects suffered from is mutated and becomes a deadly plague that spreads across the Empire, causing physical changes resulting in the afflicted bearing a TOS-era appearance."

Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klingon

All that crap is retconning the differences between TOS Klingons (which were cheap) and the more expensive TMP and forward Klingons (which were more expensive in the makeup department).

Frankly I like the ridged helmets because it's a wonderful cinematic cheat. No one knows for sure if there are actually ridges underneath (and the ridges on top are form-fitting) or not (meaning the ridges are decorative), and the filmmakers didn't need to do the makeup underneath, OR give a definitive answer, even if they show the footage (which they didn't).

My name is "Gladiator"...or Dark Helmet... or Darth Vader... or Cylon...
Any other dumb ripoffs?

Klingons have never, ever worn helmets or masks. Just something else JJ had to change in order to stake HIS claim on what used to be Trek.

Oh and I'm sorry I don't care if he is the main villain. There is NO way one romulan is going to overpower two Klingons. Specially one who has been subjected to 25 years of Klingon torture.

Glad they took this out - makes no sense at all. Not to mention extremely unlikely that a mining ship captain could overcome three Klingon warriors so easily.

Once again....this ain't Star Trek.

Yes iso, other than being called Star Trek and being the new Star Trek movie, it's not Star Trek. Good call.

I'm betting the Klingons had helmets on so JJ could save them for a reveal in the next movie. Which I'm looking forward to. The next STAR TREK movie :)

glad it was taken out.. im not a hardcore trekkie but those arent klingons!

klingons are giant monsters, i hope they re-imagine them to be more predator like, that be aewsome, and truly savages

and the borg would be more irobot in agility.. those things are slow as hell,

whats up with these nerds wanting everything to be like TOS? they were ugly ass hell, what the hell are u thinkin its the year 2009 get over it.

"Oh and I'm sorry I don't care if he is the main villain. There is NO way one romulan is going to overpower two Klingons. Specially one who has been subjected to 25 years of Klingon torture."

Spaceman I hate to break it to you but Klingons are waaaay overrated as warriors. Honestly they never beat anyone. Worf got his butt kicked on a regular basis and only seemed to kill other Klingons.

They were so weak McCoy would beat up 2 an episode and he was a 60 year old 135lb man who couldn't beat Barney Fife in a arm wrestling match.

Let's also bear in mind, here, that in the JJVerse, Romulans are apparently MUCH closer to Vulcans than they've been in previous Star Trek series'. Noticed how strong the Romulans were? That's because they all had Vulcan strength. That's a far cry from TNG Romulans, who were just humans with pointy ears, and had none of the physical attributes of the Vulcans, which made no sense. So Nero overpowering them does make sense, as Vulcans are much stronger than Klingons. And if Vulcans are much stronger, then the same should be true for Romulans.

They looked quickly put together. Not much thought went into them (obviously because the scene was so small). Kinda reminds you of Star Wars, doesn't it?

Trek geeks need to get over it, This is a movie based on a series written buy a guy that is dead. There are no Klingons (learn the language if you want it doesn't make it real) or Romulans or whatever. Its a movie if you don' t like it dont watch it but for your mothers sake stop bitc*** about a scene that was cut form a movie about a fictional race! Good god get a girlfriend or rent some porn and you will find that this stuff is insingificant to a real life (yes im saying most of you dont have one of those). Oh ya by the way if you have ever dressed up as a character from any Star Trek franchise for any reason other then Holloween you should not be allowed to reproduce! One more thing, one half of a season of Firefly is a billion times better then every Trek show or movie combined. That should piss you all off!!! Well off to sleep with the wife (thats a mate of the opposite sex in case you didn't know).

Since when do Klingons wear masks? JJ better watch old-school Star Trek again.

first thing for all those who said this isnt star trek. u obviously have no idea what star trek is. this is an alternate reality of the star trek TOS which is more trek than u can imagine nobody seems to have a problem with the crossings of alternate reality in mirror mirror. which is essance is the same thing this movie was.

There was a mistake in this clip. During this time Klingons didn't have cranial ridges due to the human augment DNA in them (Star Trek: Enterprise). This should still be true in JJ's alternate timeline version since the DNA was added to theirs before Spock and Nero contaminated the timeline. Before someone wants to dabble, they better made sure they know the original history.

I think the thing that everyone is missing is that it looks like a dog mask. It's even got the floppy ears. Old Star Trek new Star Trek it doesn't matter, the mask looks stupid

Klingons wearing protective gear? They deserve to be slain as the cowardly fools they are.

This scene should have never been picked up from the cutting room floor.

OMG!! You people are so re-frackin-tarded. JJ's was an alternate universe of the original series. Did you not understand that? Or are you all just stupid? Because it is an alternate universe, anything can happen. Anything. If JJ wanted Romulan's to sprout wings and fly to Mars, it could happen. If JJ wanted God to come tell Kirk n' the gang to go on quest for the holy grail on Vulcan, it could happen. Alternate realities can make anything possible. Just like the Alternate realities where you ppl actually have lives, wives/gfs, etc..

I think I've made my point.

This scene is not that great and deserved to be cut from the movie—but it's still worth being included on the DVD/Blu-Ray extras. Clearly the masks are meant to deliberately make it ambiguous as to whether or not Klingons have forehead ridges in this era: just because we never saw them wear masks on TOS doesn't mean they can't in this timeline, which at any rate is set about 10 years before TOS anyway. My guess is that they don't have ridges but they wear ridged masks anyway because they are ashamed of their appearance without them. And they are meant to serve as a reminder of what Klingons are supposed to look like.

Nero hasn't been imprisoned at Rura Penthe for 25 years; he's only been there for a short time towards the end of that 25 year period. For most of the rest of the time he's been roaming around the Alpha Quadrant, "waiting" as he put it for Spock's arrival. You could make a whole TV series about what Nero was up to that whole time. And either way Romulans are stronger than Klingons, at least TOS-era Klingons, so it's not at all unreasonable that he'd be able to overpower them and escape. Nothing about this is illogical or in violation of continuity, especially given the fact that it is an alternate timeline. Give it a rest and enjoy the fact that for once in our lives Trek is actually popular and cool.

I haven't seen the movie, but when does this scene take place? I thought Nero was originally from the future anyway. If that's the case, then why wouldn't they have the ridges?

I loved the new Star Trek film and can't wait for the sequel. Hopefully there's more Kirk and Spock and McCoy in the next one! I think this film was the best one of the entire franchise!!

To all who have complained that we've never seen a helmet on a klingon, we never saw a bald one until Christopher Plummer, too. Think about this: helmets from periods in real life have often had decorative elements that you wouldn't find on the head under it. We don't have spikes or plumes, do we? Okay, maybe Mr. T, but...
Finally, although it may have seemed like a bit of a cop-out not putting the actor through make-up, it was a great and fun tease to the fan base: Are there really ridges under there or not? I can't think of a more delicious dig at the rabid fans like...Well, like some of the ones posted above.

I liked the movie but I wonder why when Nero jumped into the past why didn't he go rescue himself?

Klingons would never wear masks. They'd want their victims to see their face. Anything less would not be honorable.

OK people, jeez get over it. Things are reinterpreted all the time in the Star Trek universe. TOS Klingons had gotees and were all just lying devious bastards. They were not even shown as great fighters as Kirk and company routinely took them on in fist fights just fine. In the movies they gave them better make up and ridges. In TNG they kept the new make up and since they added one to the crew they made them "noble warriors" and gave them a sense of honor (would TNG Klingons try to kill people by disguising themselves and sneaking poison into their grain? And would they wince in fear from Tribbles?). And later the DS9/Enterprise writers decided to retcon a make up explanation and some of you guys honor them by perpetuating that malarky. If JJ decided they wore masks and did or did not have ridges, he would be doing NOTHING different than EVERY OTHER trek creation team.

With the viral Klingon recruitment videos making the rounds, I'm hoping that JJ and Co. upgrade the Klingon threat to the level of the Skrulls or the future Badoon in the Marvel Comics Universe.

Easter eggs from the original series are great but the various series writers stepped on each other all the time (SciFiWire posted a video on how TNG did this some months ago) so calling out Bad Robot is ridiculous when it stated to be an alternate history.

This is a chance to reset all the species, especially the antagonistic ones to be proper adversaries.

As consumers, you dejected loyalists can claim that the new Trek is not canon all you want, but the millions of dollars the new movie made and the DVDs expect to are a more convincingly mandate than a bunch of stunted geeks are.

I saw this thing. I hesitate to call it Star Trek because it only superficially had similarities to TOS. First off, the new enterprise sucked monkey chunks. I think the acting was with the exception of McCoy, pretty lame. The story line was trite, unoriginal, and completely stupid. Poor Gene is probably rolling over in his orbit right about now. Yes it's a movie, but it's supposed to be a Star Trek movie and it really was just an overrated ego push of J.J.'s.

"Klingons wearing protective gear? They deserve to be slain as the cowardly fools they are."

Wow, someone's a braindead moron. Have you not noticed the body armor that Klingons have been wearing for well over a decade ever since they reappeared in Star Trek III? It's kind of hard to miss, seeing as how IT COVERS THEIR BODIES!

How much more can j.j. destroy trek? Some one please take his directors hat and chair from him, give him a cookie and send the fool to bed..please!

Lots of JJ fanboys on this site. See this is the kind of of people he wanted to bring in with the new trek movie, the idiots who need something to blow up every few minutes...

Jayguana you know you have to say why firefly is better then the standard "IT JUST IS!" That hill billy song at the start of that show is right now embarrassing to me.

"Poor Gene is probably rolling over in his orbit right about now."

Actually, yes, but only because I've got this crick in my back and needed to change positions.

"Lots of JJ fanboys on this site."

No. Just people who know that it's stupid to complain about Klingons wearing helmets, and castigating them for having Klingons wearing PROTECTIVE gear, all the while they blithely ignore over a decades worth of ARMORED KLINGONS!

"See this is the kind of of people he wanted to bring in with the new trek movie, the idiots who need something to blow up every few minutes..."

Those "idiots" seem to know more about Star Trek than the detractors, given that some of the complaints levelled against JJ's Star Trek are based out of ignorance of the facts.

Like "One Romulan shouldn't be able to overpower three Klingons". These're TOS Klingons who're essentially humans, while Romulans have Vulcan strength, so they damn well would overpower those Klingons. Just as Spock overpowered Kirk, McCoy, and Scotty in Mirror, Mirror.

Or "Klingons wearing protective gear? They deserve to be slain as the cowardly fools they are", despite the fact that in Star Trek III, all of Star Trek: The Next Generation, all of Star Trek: Deep Space 9, and their few appearance in Star Trek: Voyager, they always wore armor. Worf was the one exception to that, and even then he wore Klingon armor sometimes when he served with them.

So yeah, knock it off with the generalizations, cause a great deal of longtime Star Trek fans liked the new movie just as much as they did the old Star Trek. They're not new people who were only brought in cause "they liked explosions". Yeah, cause, you know, prior Star Trek movies never focused heavily on combat or exploding ships in space or anything of the sort. Khan, Kruge, Chang, the Borg, etc, when they all showed up they simply sat down and enjoyed tea and crumpets with Kirk and Picard. Nothing got blown up.

I'm not as convinced as "Captain America" that JJ's Romulans were remotely similar to Vulcans. The only so-called Romulans in his movie were gangsters at best, not at all militaristic and rather pathetic looking with all those stupid tattoos.

Are we positive these are Klingons and not some other race that captured Nero and his crew? I don't see any proof in this clip that these are Klingons. Has it been stated for a fact that this is a clip from inside Rura Penthe even? Just because the masks have "cranial ridges" doesn't mean they're Klingons. Just because the lighting in the corridor is reddish, doesn't mean they're Klingons. Was there a Klingon Empire symbol anywhere in the clip? If these really are Klingons, then fine. If they're Klingons and they're wearing masks, big deal. Just understand, that Nero going back in time roughly 25 years is not going to change the timeline so much, that the Klingons get their ridges back. The Klingons lost their ridges because of something that occured roughly a hundred years before this movie during "Enterprise". So, they should not have ridges, no matter how "alternate" the timeline is. That being said, I'm still not satisfied that these are necessarily Klingons in this clip.

"I'm not as convinced as "Captain America" that JJ's Romulans were remotely similar to Vulcans."

I was speaking to biology. Romulans are Vulcans. They originated on the planet Vulcan, but left it and settled on Romulus. Their differences with the Vulcans are strictly cultural, and yet they weren't shown to possess the same physical attributes that Vulcans possessed. JJ's Romulans, on the other hand, did possess those traits. You'll see that in the movie, as both Spock and the Romulans displayed immense strength.

"The only so-called Romulans in his movie were gangsters at best, not at all militaristic and rather pathetic looking with all those stupid tattoos."

They weren't very militaristic because they weren't in the military. In the prequel comic, Nero and his crew were miners. It was after the destruction of Romulus that the Narada was upgraded by Borg technology into the monster it became.

As for the tattoos, it's an apparent Romulan tradition where they paint themselves to mark their grief, and when the paint wears off, their period of mourning is over. But because their grief over the loss of their homeworld was so great, they decided to tattoo those markings on.

One might say, "But we've never seen this painting tradition, before". To which I say, look at the episode of DS9 where Quark is having Worf help him woo the lady Grilka. There was a tradition particular to her local lands which wasn't true of the general Klingon populace. A sect of a single race holding differing or varying beliefs or customs from the rest of the race isn't exactly unheard of.

That sort of thing, IMO, is a good thing. Having an entire race with only one homogenous culture and social morays is simply lazy writing. Romulans, Klingons, etc, should have multiple cultures, with different customs, styles of dress, behavior, etc. They may subscribe to the greater "Romulan" or "Klingon" culture that unified them, but that doesn't mean they still can't have their particular cultural ideosyncracies which keep them apart.

Just look at the US. We may consider ourselves "American", but that doesn't mean everyone in the country subscribes to the exact same cultural beliefs or practices. Those differences can be as simple as clothes, whether you're a turban wearing Sikh, burka wearing Muslim, a bearded Hasidic Jew, a cowboy hat wearing Texan, or a guayabera wearing South Florida native.

Or they can be as big as what your religious practices are, and manner of worship, or the lack of religion to begin with. And that's just one country of one world. Why should the Romulans and Klingons be any less diverse culturally?

@Vikes4ever: I think it's pretty clear that these are Klingons. Why would any other race in the Star Trek universe have helmets intentionally designed to replicate the appearance of Klingon forehead ridges? We also have the sashes, as well as dark, muddy skin and facial hair, which're also indicative of Klingons.

Whatever the case, these are definitely Klingons. Check out the wiki page on the movie. It specifically mentions that Nero and his crew were captured by Klingons during that 25 year period (how long they were captured, I'm not sure). So yeah, these guys are Klingons.

As for the ridges, I'm hoping they'll get them back sooner than they did in the original timeline (God knows I don't want to wait til Chris Pine's in his 50's before we can see Klingons with ridges, again). Nero created a new timeline, here, so maybe one of those changes will include the Klingons getting cured much more quickly?

We have seen some of those changes with the technological level of the Federation, after all. The new Enterprise is apparently the size of the Enterprise-D and appears to be vastly more powerful (an apparent result of the Kelvin's encounter with the Narada, and the knowledge Starfleet gleaned from its scans).

Then we have the Klingons, who captured Nero. Did they also manage to capture the Narada and investigate it, too? If so, then who knows what secrets they may have learned from it. Whether it be technological secrets, which could make it easier to develop a cure, or historical files, which flat out tell them what the cure is. One could come up with any number of plausible explanations on why Nero's presence could result in Klingons getting their ridges back sooner.

Whatever the reason, I just hope that we do see Klingons in upcoming movies with ridges. And if their names happen to be Kang, Kor, and/or Koloth, well... so much the better.

Wow, The number of Star Trek fan bashers and haters on this site is mind boggling. Anyone who so much as gives a hint that they don't like JJ's trek and they pounce like rabid rats on a piece of cheese.

~~Trek geeks need to get over it,~~

~~Good god get a girlfriend or rent some porn and you will find that this stuff is insingificant to a real life (yes im saying most of you dont have one of those~~

~~Oh ya by the way if you have ever dressed up as a character from any Star Trek franchise for any reason other then Holloween you should not be allowed to reproduce! ~~

~~Well off to sleep with the wife (thats a mate of the opposite sex in case you didn't know).~~

~~JJ's was an alternate universe of the original series. Did you not understand that? Or are you all just stupid? ~~

Actually I'll answer this one. YES we did underdstand that. Let me say that again YES!!! WE DID UNDERSTAND THAT! I have said this on numerous occasions yet you JJ fans keep right on bringing up the same old arguments. I have no problem with a story being about an alternate universe. The problem is this is now THE Trek universe and all subsequent movies will be in this universe. which pretty much sucks.

~~ Just like the Alternate realities where you ppl actually have lives, wives/gfs, etc..~~

~~I think I've made my point~~
If your point is to show us all just how small your IQ is then yes you have.

~~As consumers, you dejected loyalists can claim that the new Trek is not canon all you want, but the millions of dollars the new movie made and the DVDs expect to are a more convincingly mandate than a bunch of stunted geeks are.~~

Same old cliched insults. It amazes me that some people will put up with SciFiWires annoying captcha system not just to insult people but to use the same old incredibly unoriginal insults.

Sounds to me like you are the ones who need to get a life.

As for this scene well yes the klingons have always worn body armor. But helmits and masks have never been a part of that body armor. It is actually a very good cinimatic cheat as someone said above, IF this were any other movie than a Star Trek movie. Even in this altenate universe the Klingons should not be wearing masks because Neros appearence in the past should have had little or no effect on the Klingons. they are wearing masks because JJ wants them to. It's another way for him to Un-Trek, Star Trek.

The Romulans are RELATED to the Vulcans after how many generations living on another planet in a completely different enviroment they would not be exactly the same as Vulcans any longer. But I have always percieved the Klingons as being at least as strong and as fast as the Romulans when it comes to fighting.

Captain America wrote;
~~They weren't very militaristic because they weren't in the military. In the prequel comic, Nero and his crew were miners. It was after the destruction of Romulus that the Narada was upgraded by Borg technology into the monster it became. ~~
First; I should not have to read a comic to understand a movie. All the information should be in the movie. Second this doesn't evevn make any sense because in the movie the Narada was sent back in time by the explosion that destroyed the star that destroyed Romulus. There was zero time in which to upgrade the narada.

QDonQ Wrote;
~~Spaceman I hate to break it to you but Klingons are waaaay overrated as warriors. Honestly they never beat anyone. Worf got his butt kicked on a regular basis and only seemed to kill other Klingons.~~

Exactly when did Worf get his butt kicked? Which episode? Cause I never saw it. And I think you are foregeting the DS9 episode in which Worf and Dr Bashier are captured by the Jehm Hadar. Worf is forsed to fight Jem Hadar warriors, whom we all know are genetically bred for nothing but combat. He defeats 5 or 6 in a row before his wounds finaly get the best of him and still the Jem Hadar warrior refuses to kill him.

~~They were so weak McCoy would beat up 2 an episode and he was a 60 year old 135lb man who couldn't beat Barney Fife in a arm wrestling match.~~
Really? Were you watching Trek in an alternate universe then or were you just smoking something illegal because I don't remember even a single episode where McKoy beat up even one klingon.

Also, yes Kirk and crew regularly defeated the klingons because Kirk and crew were the good guys and the Klingons were the bad guys. The bad guys couldn't win could they?

Bring on an Andromeda movie already!!!

~~Second this doesn't even make any sense because in the movie the Narada was sent back in time by the explosion that destroyed the star that destroyed Romulus~~

OK I didn't get that quite right. The Narada was propelled back in time by being sucked into the blackhole created when Spock prime dropped the red matter into the supernova created when the star exploded. The planet romulus was destroyed before spock dropped the red matter so Nero did see his home destroyed first. but the movie gives the impression that these events, the supernova, the destruction of Romulus and the Narada being pulled back in time all occured within a rather short period of time. Just how much time is not elaberated on but the impression is that there is not nearly enough time for the narada to be upgraded from a mining ship to the super warship warship that we see in the movie.

Spaceman you should watch TNG over again. Worf was getting beat up on all the time. I remember watching the show in it's first run commenting on how much Worf got his Butt kicked. It wasn't till DS9 did he start getting the best of any body. And that anybody happened to be Jehm Hadar. (Speaking of which if the Jehm Hadar didn't have that personal cloaking device they wouldn't be that hot either.) But Worf never beat humans or Romulans or Vulcans or even Ferengi for that matter. (well maybe a couple here and there) Klingons are way over rated. Honestly you can count fights they won against other races on one hand .
And just because McCoy and Kirk were the good guys does not negate the fact that they beat the crap out of the Klingons on a regular basis.
Klingons have the entire Star Trek universe fooled into thinking they are a bunch of bad (censored). But in truth Klingons talk loud but fight like crap...

"Also, yes Kirk and crew regularly defeated the klingons because Kirk and crew were the good guys and the Klingons were the bad guys. The bad guys couldn't win could they?"

Wait a minute, I get it. You are saying that the only reason Kirk could beat the Klingons was because the scripts were written that way. But in the real world the Klingons can actually beat up Captain Kirk.

That makes perfect sense to me... Ok yea...

What is your problem with the Klingons.
Can you give me specific episodes in which Worf gets his butt kicked? What races or characters did the kicking? I don't recall ever seeing him even fight any Humans, Romulans or Vulcans and certainly not any Ferengi in TNG. Every time I did see Worf fight he did pretty darn good.

In TOS they were the evil bad guys so they had to loose. In TNG they were changed into an honorable race of warriors but they still had an attitude and they aren't nearly as wimpy as your making them out to be.

I don't know that they would have registered as Klingon. They look like Predator. And maybe they had ridges because it's an alternate time line? (weak, I know, but still).

"It's another way for him to Un-Trek, Star Trek."

So the lack of Klingon headgear is a defining characteristic of Star Trek? Give us a break. Did they "Un-Trek" Star Trek when they gave the Klingons body armor and ridges in Star Trek III? After all, before that, we'd NEVER seen Klingons wear body armor OR have ridges! The ridges, alone, is a huge deal as their physical appearance was outright changed! And you're complaining about helmets, in comparison to that? Shouldn't Klingons just be dusky hued humans with Fu Manchu beards who don't wear armor of any kind? After all, that's what they were in TOS.

Get over it. Just because they've never been shown to wear headgear doesn't mean that they never, ever, IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY... ever worn headgear. Helmets, protective headgear, etc, that's a good idea in general. And despite their general thickheadedness, not even Klingons are stupid enough to forego protecting their heads in every situation.

Nor does a change in uniform somehow constitute "Un-Trekking" Star Trek. Just like changing the command uniforms to red and security/engineering uniforms to gold in TNG didn’t make it "Un-Trek".

"Exactly when did Worf get his butt kicked? Which episode? Cause I never saw it."

Then you apparently never saw the early days of TNG. Worf got his butt kicked all the time. He was even stupid enough to jump over the railing, pull out his phaser, and threaten to shoot a guy ON THE VIEW SCREEN after that guy insulted Picard (Cause, you know, apparently the phaser beam would travel through the view screen and hit the guy on his ship).

It got so bad that the writers realized they needed to stop, otherwise Worf would permanently become the ships idiot. So instead of having a bad guy pop aboard ship and kick Worf's butt to prove how awesome they were, they had them kick Data's butt, instead. It was to late, though, as there's now a tv trope for it called "The Worf Effect".

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheWorfEffect

Still don't believe me? Ok. Here's a youtube collection of Worf getting wrecked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nqb-o1ub54

"Really? Were you watching Trek in an alternate universe then or were you just smoking something illegal because I don't remember even a single episode where McKoy beat up even one klingon."

Given that you never once saw Worf get his butt kicked, despite his getting his butt kicked ALL THE TIME, then I'm thinking you're the one living in the alternate universe. With a few exceptions, the Klingons in TOS just weren't that tough. And while I can't remember a specific instance of McCoy beating the tar out of a Klingon, I can believe it. The only crewman that couldn't take down a Klingon was Checkov. And come on, it was Checkov!

BTW: Another example of poor Klingon performance. The 2nd season Enterprise episode entitled "Marauders". The entire episode the Klingons are built up to be these unbelievable killing machines. I was actually getting juiced up, as the episode was getting built up to be a cornucopia of violence once the Klingons showed up.

...and then the Klingons showed up, and they proved to be singularly inept. The absolute worst was when they spotted the opposition on a ridge line above them. Did they open fire, charge the ridgeline, or even take cover? Nope. They just stand there out in the open and gawk at them. Archer and co. then shuffle sideways along the ridgeline. What do the Klingons, do?

They shuffle sideways, too, to keep them in front of them, all the while not even doing so much as taking a shot at them. And whoops! Archer and co. did that on purpose, so that the Klingons would step foot onto a force field trap and get captured. That... was pretty pathetic, all around. Honestly, Ewoks would've done better and been more menacing than the Klingons in that situation.

I love the Klingons, and am a huge fan of the work that TNG, and DS9 especially, did on them (And thankfully, they undid the early damage they did to Worf). But to say that Klingons would never be overpowered, when they've not only been overpowered before, but beaten in some of the stupidest ways imaginable? Come on!

Especially given the fact that these're likely the TOS era Klingons, who're just regular humans thanks to the virus, while Nero is a Romulan with Vulcan level strength. If Spock, a Half-Vulcan, can utterly wreck Kirk, Scotty, and McCoy, than Nero, a full-blooded Romulan, can certainly take three weaker, ridgeless, humanform Klingons.

BTW: Still can't remember where McCoy could've taken a Klingon in a brawl, but if I had to guess, I'd say look at Friday's Child, as it featured both McCoy and Klingons. A Private Little War is another possibility.

Captain America is my hero...
What he said...

Uh...Spaceman Spiff, Nero mentioned the Narada was a mining vessel in the movie, too...

Captain America wrote;
~~So the lack of Klingon headgear is a defining characteristic of Star Trek? Give us a break. Did they "Un-Trek" Star Trek when they gave the Klingons body armor and ridges in Star Trek III? After all, before that, we'd NEVER seen Klingons wear body armor OR have ridges! The ridges, alone, is a huge deal as their physical appearance was outright changed! And you're complaining about helmets, in comparison to that? Shouldn't Klingons just be dusky hued humans with Fu Manchu beards who don't wear armor of any kind? After all, that's what they were in TOS.

Get over it. Just because they've never been shown to wear headgear doesn't mean that they never, ever, IN THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY... ever worn headgear. Helmets, protective headgear, etc, that's a good idea in general. And despite their general thickheadedness, not even Klingons are stupid enough to forego protecting their heads in every situation.

Nor does a change in uniform somehow constitute "Un-Trekking" Star Trek. Just like changing the command uniforms to red and security/engineering uniforms to gold in TNG didn’t make it "Un-Trek".~~

I can address all this with one response. First the Klingons first had ridges in Star Trek The Motion Picture. All of the things you mention above Were done in sequels. They did not take place in the original series time period as JJ’s movie did, and before you say it YES I know this is an alternate timeline, makes no difference. This many things should not have changed just because of Nero’s incursion. By doing this Abrams has simply shown his contempt for The material he claims to love.

~~The Worf effect~~
Never heard of it. And just because this website, tvtropes says it, that makes it gospel?

~~Still don't believe me? Ok. Here's a youtube collection of Worf getting wrecked.~~
OK you asked for it

1 Riker;
Worf was not trying to kick Riker’s butt seeing as he was his superior officer. I don’t remember the episode in question or what was happening but he was obviously only trying to stop him from accessing something on the control panel and was taken bny surprise. Even superman can be taken by surprise.

2 O’Brian;
Again I don’t remember the episode but again he was either surprised by a crewmate he did not expect to attack him Or O’Brian was possessed. This happened quite a lot.

3 A Borg;
Who can pretty much kick anyone’s butt so that is hardly conclusive.

4 Troi;
Who was possessed by one of those super aliens at the time.

5 He just collapsed;
How is this getting his butt kicked?

6 Blasted by an energy weapon;
Oh yes! only wimps and weaklings would be susceptible to this.

7 A possessed Starfleet officer;
Again one of those super alien races who possess humans and are superior in strength and speed and could again kick anyone’s butt.

8 The super soldier;
I remember this episode. A genetically enhanced and specifically trained warrior who has done nothing butt fight his entire life and is at least as strong as if not stronger than klingons. Again not conclusive.

9 A cargo barrel;
That weighed how many hundreds of pounds? It just jumped right out there and kicked Worf’s butt! Oh yes those cargo barrels are real tough customers alright. I suppose it would have just bounced off of a Vulcan’s or Romulan’s head.

10 Another super alien;
Not much to say here. He’s a super alien, with super powers who could probably kill just about anyone.

11 12 and 13 shot with phasers;
I don’t consider being shot getting your butt kicked. Anyone can be hurt by being shot even your wonderful Romulans. Again I don’t remember the circumstances of those scenes but they all appeared to be crewmates and in TNG when someone was shot or attacked by a crewmate it was almost always because the crewmate was possessed by some super alien.

14 taken by surprise;
Again by a crewmate who normally would not do this.

15 Phaser;
Again.

16 Merry man;
This qualifies as a butt kicking how?

17 18 and 19 the plank and the door and getting slapped;
See above.

20 Fighting with a Cardassian;
Granted the Cardassian was holdimg his own but since that bit ended before the fight was over it is also non conclusive.

21 Electro shock;
Don’t know who these aliens are but getting shocked with uber cattle prods would bring down anyone I don’t care who they are or how tough they are.

22 Klingon right of passage;
Worf was not getting his butt kicked he was undergoing a Klingon ceremony who’s name I don’t remember. I do remember however he came through that ordeal quite well.

23 Zapped by alien energy;
An unknown alien energy force of immense power. Yea I could see how only a wimp would be overcome by that. Still not a butt kicking.

24 thru 28 the Klingon pain sticks(again) and a cold
Not even close.

29 creatures created by Q;
The ultimate super alien who could literally do anything. So being defeated by a godlike being qualifies him as being a wimp?

30 Worf’s holographic fighting program;
And I didn’t see him get beaten in that segment.

31 Ferengi (OK I forgot about this episode);
Ganged up on by two or more opponents and I still didn’t see him get beaten. The clip ended too soon again and I don’t remember how that fight ended.

32 Q again;
It was Q, get it?

33 Unknown alien;
Looked to me like Worf was kicking his butt

34 and 35 multiple opponents;
Being beaten by four or more opponents who are at least as strong as he is does not qualify him as being a wimp.

36 and 37 High voltage electro shock;
Again no one could stand up to this.

37 A door;
A door!? Give me a break.

38 The Jehm Hadar;
I talked about this one in one of my previous posts. By the time he was defeated by this Jem Hadar he had already beaten 5 or 6 others and received several severe injuries which had not been treated beyond bandaging.

39 A monster;
That was how many times stronger than a normal Klingon? And it looked to me like Worf was holding his own.
40 and 42 Data;
An android that possesses something like a hundred times the strength of any Klingon or Vulcan or Romulan for that matter.

Not one of the clips in this video qualifies Worf as being wimpy. Powerful energy forces and super aliens can beat anyone and one does not usually expect your own crewmates to attack you.

Moving the goalposts, now, are we? You wanted proof that Worf had been beaten up, because according to you, it never happened. Well, there you go. Well over a dozen times in which he HAS been beaten up. Trying to dance around it all you like, but the fact is you claimed he'd never been beated up, when he can and has been beaten up repeatedly.

I never said he had never been beaten up I said I didn't see him beaten up.

Your claim is that because he has been beaten up by super aliens that could beat up anyone or taken by surprise by fellow crewmen whom he did not expect to have to fight and therfore was not prepared to fight or taken down by unknown alien forces or entities that he is some kind of wimp. Nothing is farther from the truth. Many of the clipds in that video were not even what you could call fights. Worf was hit by electricity or energy forces of great power and many of them were not complete therefore not showing the outcome and many were just silly and can't honestly be claimed as Worf being Pwned.

I remain unconvinced.

Captain America wrote;
~~BTW: Another example of poor Klingon performance. The 2nd season Enterprise episode entitled "Marauders". The entire episode the Klingons are built up to be these unbelievable killing machines.~~

They are warriors not berserkers. I don’t imagine they would rush headlong into a fight without assessing the situation.

~~Honestly, Ewoks would've done better and been more menacing than the Klingons in that situation.~~

I did not see this episode so I do not know the circumstances of the plot and cannot comment honestly on it. It may be that the Klingons were portrayed as inept. What I don’t understand is this bashing of Klingons in general and Worf in particular.

~~Especially given the fact that these're likely the TOS era Klingons, who're just regular humans thanks to the virus,~~
I don’t recall specifically but I don’t think there was any mention that the virus reduced Klingons to human strength. Just made them look more like humans.

~~while Nero is a Romulan with Vulcan level strength.~~
It is never specifically stated that Romulans have Vulcan level strength.

~~Nero, a full-blooded Romulan, can certainly take three weaker, ridgeless, humanform Klingons.~~
Nero in this clip has held in a Klingon prison. For how long isn’t specified but whether its 25 years or only several weeks, He is certainly not going to be in top form. Specially after being subjected to that slug thing.

~~BTW: Still can't remember where McCoy could've taken a Klingon in a brawl, but if I had to guess, I'd say look at Friday's Child, as it featured both McCoy and Klingons. A Private Little War is another possibility.~~

McCoy may be a doctor an not the most able fighter on the Enterprise but he is still a trained Starfleet officer and had undoubtedly undergone self defense courses. I’m sure he could hold his own at least for a while. And I don’t think he ever fought a Klingon. Maybe in day of the dove but it’s been so many years I can’t remember.

Wow... some people need to slow down on overanalysis.

I'm a closet Trek/Sci Fi fan myself, and have gotten into TONS of Kirk VS Picard arguments, however, it's mostly because they're funny... not because I actually sit there, and analyze all the variables.

It's called Fiction, and it can change, be retconned, expanded upon, or completely thrown away at any given time, for any reason. It's just entertainment... either enjoy it, or don't. Overanalysis will just cause you to be compared to the Comic Book Store guy from the Simpsons.

The new Trek movie was incredibly entertaining. Should we really CARE what the Klingons wear, or whether a Romulan could beat up some Klingon Warriors? Maybe these Klingons are wildly different from the TOS, TNG, and Enterprise Klingons? At this point, all we know is that they wear big crazy ridged masks, and the scene was cut from the final version of the movie.

Just take it for what it is... ENTERTAINMENT...

The reason why klingons wear masks and heavy clothing during the Nero Interogation scene is easy. Klingons are suseptible to extreme cold. They need full body protection to function properly. Klingons are physically weaker in colder temperatures as evident in Nero overpowering the Klingons guards.