Let the nerd rage begin!

I'm still not sure what a "muggle" is...

BEAT THAT TWIHARDS. Hahahaha I am SOOOOO amused by this. I knew it was true, but now we have PROOF.

I wish Amber Spyglass were higher on the list, but I'm just glad HP beat out Twilight. Harry Potter has gotten millions of children who weren't previously interested in reading to pick up a book for the first time. All Twilight's done is make preteen girls want abusive, interdependent, obsessive relationships. Which of those is a better influence? Hmm.

*Grins widely*
Not that I wanna be rude but, 'IN YOUR FACE MEYER'!! *coughs*

The decade illiteracy came to books.

So many people to thank, firstly I'd like to thank the Lord, secondly J.k. Rowling for knowing how to write books vastly superior to Twilame. Thirdly to all the people who chose to read books that are actually good.

How's that for a high horse!?!?

wow, not a single GOOD sci-fi author in that list.

Wheres Alastair Reynolds, M John Harrison, Ken Macleod, Peter F Hamilton, Karl Schroeder, Greg Egan, Peter Watts, Charles Stross, Greg Bear ect

and I could go on and on and on..but damn..not even one of those in the list.

Was anyone really surprised? Harry Potter and the Da Vinci Code are books that appeal to a wider audience than Twilight.

The main difference between Harry Potter and Twilight is that Harry Potter is Literature in the Tolkien and Lewis tradition, and Twilight is Pop Culture. It's like comparing Star Trek to Lost in Space.

*insert generic Twilight-bashing comment*

What? She writes absolute rubbish about some creepy day-vampire stalker who sparkles, and you expect a creative retort? The insult is in the book.

I read both the Harry Potter series and the Twilight series.........both can nt be compared to the other..........they ahv diff audiences and actually r in diff decade. so both rocks...........

How in fresh hell did Twilight beat 'The Lovely Bones' and 'Time Travelers Wife'?!
Time Travelers Wife should be #2 on that list. If Harry Potter was never written, Time Travelers Wife would be the best book in existence.
And The Lovely Bones is pretty damn awesome too.

one thing I noticed was that it had a high British influence (look at the TV shows)... and though HP is much better than Twilight (I couldn't read more than 100 pages in Twilight)... there may be some bias in these rankings

I think though you have to look at what this list is and maybe Twilight is not ranked as how as it should be. The list is not the 100 most well written books, but ones that they author thinks defined the decade. In that sense, I think Twilight deserves its rank. It is superficial dip into sci/fantasy/horror literature aimed at an audience that is not likely to ever read anything heavier in this genre or any other; it epitomizes the duality of feminist thought; and and it displays the lack of respect for history by masquerading ignorance of the genre of the supernatural in the coat of "redefining" it.

Bubble gum is what it is, you chew it for a little while and spit it out but it still puts money in the pocket of the bubble gum maker.
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I'd pick Rowling over Meyer, too, but ... Dan Brown in #3 place? I'd pick Meyer over Brown. ..bruce..

I know a lot of people did not care for how the Harry Potter series ended but I liked it. I find it depressingly cynical that people who didn't like this book could accept all these supernatural creatures: Wizards, witches, trolls, goblins, goblins, unicorms, elves, vampires, werewolves, dragons, ect... But they can't accept a happy ending. It's 'unrealistic.' Happy endings in real life are a lot more common than hatching dragon eggs.

I am glad Harry Potter and The Deathly Hollows is number 1 on the list. I am disturbed that Twilight is 32. I don't think it deserves to be on the list at all. And poor Jim Butcher didn't make the list at all despite the quiet success of his Dresden Files book series.

I'm really glad. You can tell JK really cares about her characters. She wrote a fantastic series that I think one day will be a classic along the lines as Tolkien, Dickens, etc.

lets face it.i know lots of adults,both men and women who love Harry Potter.twilight is for 13 year old girls and lonely old married women who wish they had two hot guys fighting over them

Come on!!! Both of books are really good....
I´m in love of Twilight but I like so Much Harry ... dont be rude for little things...

No, really, they're not 'both' really good.

I can't even express into words how strong my distaste for the entire Twilight Saga truly is. In my personal opinion Twilight is prefabricated, poorly written, shallow, demographic-forcing tripe. When I was a fourteen-year-old girl I was very obsessed with the vampire anti-hero Lestat from Anne Rice's The Vampire Chronicles. And though Lestat had many relationship issues he was still a better defined and more well conceived character than that of Edward Cullen.

Edward and Bella are poorly thought out, two dimensional shells. This was a deliberate effort by the author so that every young reader could imagine themselves as the main characters but in the process she made them so superficial that the characters lacked any quality of definition. They did not feel like real people.

Not only is Twilight poorly written but it also hinders upon actual mythology. The notion of vampires glittering in the sun is laughable at best. It brings to mind the recollection of such toys as the My Little Pony dolls. The logic behind vampires sparkling in the sunlight is non-existent. A vampire burning in the sun has been a staple of Gothic fiction for many years. There are real diseases and disorders in the world that make sunlight harmful to certain individuals. Scientifically it's more plausible to be harmed by sunlight than to 'naturally' sparkle in it.

Another flaw in the mythos of Twilight is the definition of werewolf. I cannot tell you how many times I have come across Twilight fans who insist the characters who can turn into wolves are not werewolves. They say that these characters are shape-shifters. A shape shifter by traditional definition can take on multiple forms, not just one. Many Twilight fans also argue that within the mythos of the books a true werewolf only changes on the full moon and that's why Jacob and company are not actually werewolves. The parapsychology student in me winces at this. In many traditional werewolf folklore out of Germany and France there are werewolves that most certainly can change at will, are aware in their wolf form, and are not bound by the phase of the moon. The very word werewolf means man-wolf. It does not mean part man and part wolf. It comes from the notion of a man INTO a wolf. Most classic werewolf stories (before The Wolf-Man movie) had the werewolf changing from a person into an actual wolf.

The very first werewolf legend can be traced back to the Greek myth of King Lycaon. According to legend King Lycaon served human flesh at a feast for Zeus (the king of the Gods). Zeus was so offended that he punished Lycaon by turning him into a wolf. Only his eyes remained human. This myth is where the terms Lycanthrope, Lycanthropy and the more modern Lycan come from. I guess it's safe to say Stephenie Meyer does not do her research in regard to the occult before writing these stories.

Not only is Twilight poorly written and intellectually insulting to occultists (amateur and professional alike) but it also promotes very unhealthy relationships. Edward Cullen is abusive, stalkerish and obsessive. Edward has also had moments of physically harming Bella. Bella is equally so but that does not make it okay, nor does it make the relationship healthy. At one point Edward disables Bella's mode of transportation and has her kidnapped as a means to 'protect' her. If he was not a vampire this would be viewed as highly abusive of the character. There is a fine line between being chivalrous and sexist. Edward Cullen crossed that line miles ago. This sets a very unhealthy ideal of what defines romantic relationship for the young readers of Twilight. I am not saying not to read Twilight nor am I saying to burn the books. I am simply saying that it needs to be looked at in context for what it truly is and that there are far higher quality reads out there. If you want a chivalrous character who is NOT sexist, seek The Dresden Files novels by Jim Butcher. The hero, a wizard named Harry Dresden, is very chivalrous without being sexist.

Bella is what modern writers call A Mary Sue. In fiction writing and role playing games Mary Sue characters are strongly frowned upon. A Mary Sue is a character of shallow quality who is nearly flawless. The character is so perfect that even her so-called flaws are endearing.

I have run online text based role playing games since 1999 and I can tell you there are plot points in Twilight I would not have allowed in my game. A major one would be when Bella and Edward finally had their daughter toward the end of the book series the child aged extremely fast and by age seven or so she was involved with her mother's werewolf ex-boyfriend. To me this is disgusting. I would never have allowed this in my online role playing game. She might have developed with supernatural speed but she still has only had only seven-years-life experience and I feel that is certainly not enough time to be in a romantic relationship with a grown man. That was disturbing to me. Supernatural speed aging does not give her enough life experience for that sort of relationship. That was simply not right.

In short Twilight is not what I would consider a good read even for those who truly love supernatural romances. Seek out the likes of The Ghost and Mrs. Muir. Twilight is not worth the time. There are higher quality works of fiction out there.

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Considering Meyer's prose in Twilight is so bad that it will literally make your eyes bleed and make you pleade for someone to take it away, it's mostly a shock that it's anywhere near as high as #32. The Twlight movie wasn't terrible, but the writing of the original book was one of the worst things I've ever read in over 40 years of heavy reading.

I wouldn't actually give much stock to a list that has #6 "Being Jordan" by Katie Price or #12 "Jade: My Autobiography" by Jade Goody - two girls only published because of being on reality TV.

This is news to anyone? Harry Potter will be read for generations to come. Twilight will be an embarrassing afterthought of teenage years, the way women of my generation look back and wonder how they possibly could have liked Rick Springfield.

As it should be.

An interesting fact is Rick Springfield was in a vampire movie. He was in Nick Knight which later evolved into the TV series Forever Knight but with a different lead actor. I miss that show. Now THAT was a vampire series. Nick was whiny and byronic but at least he was still a vampire.

Does anyone else think it's creepy that the books are about a 90 year old vampire hanging around a high school and nailing underage girls?

'Does anyone else think it's creepy that the books are about a 90 year old vampire hanging around a high school and nailing underage girls?'

That was one aspect of Twilight I didn't mind. She was eighteen when they finally became intimate. Also with stories of immortals it's going to be very, very hard for them to find someone of their own age. So long as they're consenting adults that's all that really matters to me.

My actual complaints about Twilight can be foudn further up in the comments.

hahaha suck that twilighters!!

*tears in my eyes* i love you guys. ^_^ i actually gave twilight a chance because i didn't want to be one of those people who hates anything just because they're ultra popular. i did that with HP when it first came out but boy was i wrong about that! HP has it's flaws as well but i have to say JK is an amazing story teller. that's all that matters to me really. the author has to make me believe in her world and she did that. her characters have been in her head for more than a decade and you could tell she really cares about them. and her world is so intricate and so well thought-out i actually envy her imagination.

as for twilight, i wasn't really expecting much from it from the get go but i have to say that was the first time i experienced discomfort when reading a book. reading is usually a pleasurable experience for me even if it's low brow. i'm really not that difficult to please. if i end up not finishing a book it's because the
story is not my cup of tea or because the the writer is trying too hard to impress that i can't read their words anymore. with twilight, it's different. it's not that it's difficult to read, it's just so horrible. i can't find anything to like. i hate the story and i hate the characters. maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if it had been written in the third person perspective because reading the story through bella's thoughts is just painful. she's whiny and useless. her world is centered upon edward and how "perfect" he is. ugh! i wanted to spare my intelligence but i decided to give it a chance because a good friend whose taste i usually respect likes it so much. i thought maybe it would get better. it never did. i have never been so angry with a book before. i can't believe lots of trees were killed just so this atrocity could be unleashed upon the world. when the movies came out i was probably the only one among my peers who wasn't thrilled by it. i didn't want to subject myself to any more torture. i was actually invited by a cousin to watch the premiere but i
declined. they asked me why i didn't like it and my mom said it's because i didn't like love stories. that's not really the reason. while it's true i don't go out of my way to buy trashy romance novels, i don't really mind opening one of those books when i'm bored and have absolutely nothing to do. i'm well aware it's not to be taken seriously and i just read it for the cheap thrills. while i'm not a big fan of the romance genre, i have read some pretty goods ones that are really funny and had me really gushing - after all, that's what they're supposed to do - to make you all warm and fuzzy inside. i didn't even have that with twilight. everyone's all team edward or team jacob. i don't like either one of them and like i said i don't give a crap about bella. instead of giving cheap thrills, it was nauseating and barf-inducing. come on! and the ending was stupid. jacob falls for bella and edward's little daughter? WTF!

There there. I know how you feel. There there.

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